*T.L Craft: A further look into His Departure*

Minister_WD · #1 11-30-2007, 09:32 PM

I think that it's a fair assessment to say, out of all the Men leaving over resolution 4,TLC's Departure is the most surprising to myself and most of the Brethren(at least the ones I've have spoken with).While I certainly respect Elder Craft's right to do as he wishes,quite honestly,I am hurt and dismayed over this one more than any of the major players that are spearheading the New Organization in Tulsa.

Since it was confirmed by Bro Epley and already discussed on a previous Thread,for the sake of discusion,I am going a step further to disclose a few other details of interest. My first concern is the conflict that this whole ordeal appears to be causing in families,more than one I might add. Chris Craft was offered the youth president, but flatly refused and said he would not be going to Tulsa.
Secondly,is it really Christ-like to recruit ministers for this new organization and try to convince them to leave the UPC? Brethren, is it right to entice men of influence by offering positions,perhaps for the sake of gaining others? TLC has been offered the Overseer position for 2009 if he would sign on as 7th name. They are calling people and offering positions like crazy.

Monkeyman · #2 11-30-2007, 09:39 PM

****ok, before some of the conservatives of the board get all up in my grill and accusing me of bashing....I don't know for sure that this enticing is happening, BUT, if it is...it makes me SICK!!!!!!!!

And don't brand me a lib for saying so.

Minister_WD · #3 11-30-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

****ok, before some of the conservatives of the board get all up in my grill and accusing me of bashing....I don't know for sure that this enticing is happening, BUT, if it is...it makes me SICK!!!!!!!!

And don't brand me a lib for saying so.

IMO,the whole thing is causing tremendous hurt and conflict.

truely,it's disheartening.

Monkeyman · #4 11-30-2007, 09:46 PM

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IMO,the whole thing is causing tremendous hurt and conflict.

truely,it's disheartening.

Well I know that as far as my church...we are rolling on!

CC1 · #5 11-30-2007, 09:51 PM

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Well I know that as far as my church...we are rolling on!

So is Christ Church Nashville! I don't think all of this will cause us to miss a beat.

Monkeyman · #6 11-30-2007, 09:55 PM

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So is Christ Church Nashville! I don't think all of this will cause us to miss a beat.

Ok, si si juan, next time I am in Nashville, I am coming over for some church and a coffee, I had better see you running an aisle!!!!!!

Minister_WD · #7 11-30-2007, 10:00 PM

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Well I know that as far as my church...we are rolling on!

It's always encouraging to hear of those that are going forward!

The Pastors I have spoken with that are staying have all said that their adult saints will feel little effect by it. the youth in general,are more connected and are feeling the effects more so (depending on the District).

The adult saints that have deep UPC Roots in the churches that are leaving may also may have some diffuculty too.

CC1 · #8 11-30-2007, 09:44 PM

If this is true about TLC then like you I am totally shocked. I was speaking to a UPC minister friend about this yesterday and he was surprised and disappointed also.

The only thing I can think is that Bro. Craft is getting on up in years and the last few has made friends with some very conservative preachers who have probably influenced him.

I am not surprised he opposed Res 4 as everybody knows that his opposition to using TV is what pitted him against two of his best friends way back in 1977. I am surprised that he would let this issue not going his way cause him to leave the UPC, an organization he has been in all his life and that he was President of a Bible College affiliated with.

I sincerely hope that Chris Craft does not follow his lead as you indicated he has said he will not do. I know that will probably cause some awkwardness as the transition from TLC to CC at FPC has barely happened and most of the FPC saints revere TLC highly.

Minister_WD · #9 11-30-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

If this is true about TLC then like you I am totally shocked. I was speaking to a UPC minister friend about this yesterday and he was surprised and disappointed also.

The only thing I can think is that Bro. Craft is getting on up in years and the last few has made friends with some very conservative preachers who have probably influenced him.
I am not surprised he opposed Res 4 as everybody knows that his opposition to using TV is what pitted him against two of his best friends way back in 1977. I am surprised that he would let this issue not going his way cause him to leave the UPC, an organization he has been in all his life and that he was President of a Bible College affiliated with.

I sincerely hope that Chris Craft does not follow his lead as you indicated he has said he will not do. I know that will probably cause some awkwardness as the transition from TLC to CC at FPC has barely happened and most of the FPC saints revere TLC highly.

You touched on something very important.Not only has he obvioulsy been influenced,in addition,I think he has been given a a glimmer of hope in regards to JCM reopening. TLC has dreamed of the the bible school living on in some form.

Monkeyman · #10 11-30-2007, 09:56 PM

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You touched on something very important.Not only has he obvioulsy been influenced,in addition,I think he has been given a a glimmer of hope in regards to JCM reopening. TLC has dreamed of the the bible school living on in some form.

Do you think this new org. would re-open JCM?