Seminary Schools???

BobDylan · #1 09-24-2007, 03:44 PM

Does anyone have any suggestions for Seminary Schools that an apostolic would benefit from going to? I checked into Dallas Theological Seminary, and they require a statement saying that you affirm the doctrine of the trinity. Although, it does not define the trinity in the student's statement (it does define it for the faculty and staff), I think I could get by with affirming the "trinity", but not affirming their definition of it. But I would still feel unconfortable with it. I am interested in historical studies, linguistics, and systematic theology. I am definitely intrigued by DTS Th. M. nad I know they are highly regarded. Does anyone have any other suggestions for a seminary school that an aposotolic would benifit from? One that is highly regarded? The biggest bang for the buck so-to-speak? Thanks!

mfblume · #2 09-24-2007, 04:11 PM

Dallas Seminary? Man oh man. That is the motherlode of dispensationalism. lol

BobDylan · #3 09-24-2007, 04:29 PM

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Dallas Seminary? Man oh man. That is the motherlode of dispensationalism. lol

From what I understand, they are very conservative with regard to biblical linguistics and textual criticism.... BTW, what's wrong with dispensationalism?

Do you have any other suggestions?

mfblume · #4 09-24-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

From what I understand, they are very conservative with regard to biblical linguistics and textual criticism.... BTW, what's wrong with dispensationalism?

Do you have any other suggestions?

Covenant Theology is far more biblical. Dispensationalism is much too presumptuous, and, in my opinion, takes thoughts such as Israel getting its own "age" again in a millennium when the bible makes no plain statements at all about it. Romans 11, for example, states All Israel shall be saved, but it does not say it is outside the church age. Romans 9 states that God's regard of who "Israel" is pertains solely to the children of promise and "not all Israel is Israel."

The seminary is simply fanatical about dispensationalism.

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The Covenant of Grace became the basis for all future covenants that God made with mankind such as with Noah (Gen 6, 9), with Abraham (Gen 12, 15, 17), with Moses (Ex 19-24), with David (2 Sam 7), and finally in the New Covenant fulfilled and founded in Christ. These individual covenants are called the "biblical covenants" because they are explicitly described in the Bible. Under the Covenantal overview of the Bible, submission to God's rule and living in accordance with his moral law (expressed concisely in the Ten Commandments) is a response to grace - never something which can earn God's acceptance (legalism). Even in his giving of the Ten Commandments, God introduces his law by reminding the Israelites that he is the one who brought them out of slavery in Egypt (grace).

As a framework for biblical interpretation, Covenant Theology stands in direct contrast to Dispensationalism in regard to the relationship between the Old Covenant with national Israel and the New Covenant in Christ's blood. Regarding the theological status of modern day Jewish people Covenantalism is often referred to by its detractors as "Supersessionism" or "Replacement theology" due to the perception that it teaches that God has abandoned the promises made to the Jews and has replaced the Jews with Christians as His Chosen People in the earth. Defenders of Covenant Theology deny that God has abandoned his promises to Israel, but see the fulfillment of the promises to Israel in the person and the work of the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth, who established the church in organic continuity with Israel, not a separate replacement entity.

triumphant1 · #5 09-24-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

Does anyone have any suggestions for Seminary Schools that an apostolic would benefit from going to? I checked into Dallas Theological Seminary, and they require a statement saying that you affirm the doctrine of the trinity. Although, it does not define the trinity in the student's statement (it does define it for the faculty and staff), I think I could get by with affirming the "trinity", but not affirming their definition of it. But I would still feel unconfortable with it. I am interested in historical studies, linguistics, and systematic theology. I am definitely intrigued by DTS Th. M. nad I know they are highly regarded. Does anyone have any other suggestions for a seminary school that an aposotolic would benifit from? One that is highly regarded? The biggest bang for the buck so-to-speak? Thanks!

If I am not mistaken...DTS is also heavy on the doctrine of cessation...meaning they believe that the HOly Spirit baptism, gifts, and miracles ceased with the apostles.

My wife am I am currently studying for our Masters of Divinity at ORU's School of Theology and Missions....great school, very heavy on the free operation of the Holy Ghost and power, believe that tongues are the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and describe the godhead as "one God in three modes just like Water, Ice, and steam"...just had to read a Richard Roberts book for a class and this was how he described the godhead.

mfblume · #6 09-24-2007, 06:00 PM

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If I am not mistaken...DTS is also heavy on the doctrine of cessation...meaning they believe that the HOly Spirit baptism, gifts, and miracles ceased with the apostles.

My wife am I am currently studying for our Masters of Divinity at ORU's School of Theology and Missions....great school, very heavy on the free operation of the Holy Ghost and power, believe that tongues are the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and describe the godhead as "one God in three modes just like Water, Ice, and steam"...just had to read a Richard Roberts book for a class and this was how he described the godhead.

Sounds a LOT better.

pelathais · #7 09-24-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

If I am not mistaken...DTS is also heavy on the doctrine of cessation...meaning they believe that the HOly Spirit baptism, gifts, and miracles ceased with the apostles.

My wife am I am currently studying for our Masters of Divinity at ORU's School of Theology and Missions....great school, very heavy on the free operation of the Holy Ghost and power, believe that tongues are the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and describe the godhead as "one God in three modes just like Water, Ice, and steam"...just had to read a Richard Roberts book for a class and this was how he described the godhead.

Are you traveling to a campus or studying online? Sorry to be nosy. Just wondering about your experience and costs.

triumphant1 · #8 09-24-2007, 06:44 PM

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Are you traveling to a campus or studying online? Sorry to be nosy. Just wondering about your experience and costs.

It is a 90 credit hour degree...about 21 of the credits can be done online.

Although we live 10 minutes froom the campus, they allowed us to take the module program so that we can control the flexibility of the schedule and not do residential.

The module program is designed for out of town students who do the pre and post course work at home and travel to tulsa for one week of intense study (37.5 hours in 5 days in class). They offer a class every month...most do not take them every month...

It isn't cheap....

BobDylan · #9 09-24-2007, 08:58 PM

Bro. Blume, I don't have a problem with the seminary not endorsing every doctrine that I subscribe to. I am not necessarily "dispansationalist", and lean more toward a covenant theology, but in my mind I kind of combine the two. But that is really irrelevant. I am looking more for a school that has a solid reputation in the theology community, and generally conservative. I considered USGT, but they are "under development".

Truimphant1, I am very familiar with ORU, but would be very hesitant considering Oral Robert's sketchy history, his visions, and his directives from God (i.e. getting direction from "God" to build the multimillion dollar "city of Faith", and then later filing bankruptcy.) ORU would be the most convenient for me, but I am really a little apprehensive about it. How much is it per credit hour? (if you don't mind me asking, if so, I'll call them and find out). Where do you attend church in Tulsa? Jenks?

triumphant1 · #10 09-25-2007, 10:07 AM

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Bro. Blume, I don't have a problem with the seminary not endorsing every doctrine that I subscribe to. I am not necessarily "dispansationalist", and lean more toward a covenant theology, but in my mind I kind of combine the two. But that is really irrelevant. I am looking more for a school that has a solid reputation in the theology community, and generally conservative. I considered USGT, but they are "under development".

Truimphant1, I am very familiar with ORU, but would be very hesitant considering Oral Robert's sketchy history, his visions, and his directives from God (i.e. getting direction from "God" to build the multimillion dollar "city of Faith", and then later filing bankruptcy.) ORU would be the most convenient for me, but I am really a little apprehensive about it. How much is it per credit hour? (if you don't mind me asking, if so, I'll call them and find out). Where do you attend church in Tulsa? Jenks?

I think the outside perception of ORU has been affected negatively (especially in the past) because of things in the Oral Roberts Ministry "sketchy history"...some of which is certainly true...like the building of the hospital didn't work out like he hoped...but now the school enjoys a good reputation, even in the community, and has a student enrollment double that of the University of Tulsa...which would be ORU's private college rival in the region...

Overall I have found that ORU is very balanced and none of that goofy stuff is evident on campus or among the faculty...matter of fact the professors that I have had the privelege of meeting are all great and very balanced...we have also had several young people from our church go there and have found their experience to be worthwhile..and a very good educational experience.

It is interesting to note that the "defunct hospital" made the news when it was driving the school in the ground as Oral Robert's "big blunder from God"...but it never makes the news now that it is a very successful business center and is turning a healthy profit for the school by renting enough of the floors to various businesses (from specialty hospitals and surgery centers to law firms, book publishers, and radio stations).....I guess Oral didn't miss the mark by too far...:sshhh

As far as the price goes I will pm you on that....

Where do I go to church? I pastor Triumph Worship Center in Glenpool/Mounds Ok...just south of Tulsa on Hwy 75...