Serious Pants/ Skirts Question... Not Trying to Debate... Thanks!
Please understand that I am not trying to stir the proverbial pot here. I have a sincere question that I am trying to find the answer to.
Consider the hypothetical: A person, say a baptist preacher somewhere in the US where there is no OP church etc..., is studying the bible, and seeking God in prayer. During this time of seeking God, he discovers the truth of Jesus name baptism, Holy Ghost infilling and tongues, and the oneness of God. Now in trying to please God, and studying the scriptures for more truth, this baptist (formerly baptist) minister stumbles across Deut 22:5. In his study, and considering society of the last 30 years (say this pastor is @ 30 years old), he is trying to find a way to apply gender distinction in dress in a way that is relevant for today. In the society he has grown up in, both women and man wear pants. So in his study he DOES NOT come to the same conclusions regarding pants/skirts that traditional OP's adhere to. Is this person's position acceptible in the sight of God? He is now teaching his congregation and baptizing them in Jesus name, teaching them to seek the Holy Ghost, and is teaching them to lead a seperated life, but he simply has not come to the same conclusion as OP's regarding pants/skirts. Is this a tenable positions for this "baptist" minister? Can he maintain this position and still be acceptible in the sight of God?
Please understand that I am not trying to stir the proverbial pot here. I have a sincere question that I am trying to find the answer to.
Consider the hypothetical: A person, say a baptist preacher somewhere in the US where there is no OP church etc..., is studying the bible, and seeking God in prayer. During this time of seeking God, he discovers the truth of Jesus name baptism, Holy Ghost infilling and tongues, and the oneness of God. Now in trying to please God, and studying the scriptures for more truth, this baptist (formerly baptist) minister stumbles across Deut 22:5. In his study, and considering society of the last 30 years (say this pastor is @ 30 years old), he is trying to find a way to apply gender distinction in dress in a way that is relevant for today. In the society he has grown up in, both women and man wear pants. So in his study he DOES NOT come to the same conclusions regarding pants/skirts that traditional OP's adhere to. Is this person's position acceptible in the sight of God? He is now teaching his congregation and baptizing them in Jesus name, teaching them to seek the Holy Ghost, and is teaching them to lead a seperated life, but he simply has not come to the same conclusion as OP's regarding pants/skirts. Is this a tenable positions for this "baptist" minister? Can he maintain this position and still be acceptible in the sight of God?
Yes, he can. That scripture was never about women wearing pants. We took it that way, because at the time UPC was formed MOST women wore dresses. HOWEVER, it is my opinion that scripture is talking about cross genders like the gays.
In other words, you dress to appear at the opposite sex. Never has been about women wearing pants.
Hope that helps.
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Yes, he can. That scripture was never about women wearing pants. We took it that way, because at the time UPC was formed MOST women wore dresses. HOWEVER, it is my opinion that scripture is talking about cross genders like the gays.
In other words, you dress to appear at the opposite sex. Never has been about women wearing pants.
Hope that helps.
Absolutley. If he was "formerly" a baptist pastor, chances are he actually has some thoelogicical training in how to discern or exegete scripture. If he's got some working knowledge of a greek.hebrew lexicon he can look up the wording of Deut 22:5 and see that the "man" in that verse came from the hebrew "Geber", not Iyish or Adam as we see translated to mean "man" in other scriptural applications.
The woman shall not put on the apparrel of a warrior or manufactured articles used to make war.
Deut. 22:5 NEVER EVER NEVER had the implied meaning we oneness pentecostals have given it.
At one time in my life I thouhgtit did because a preacher told me it did.
I have come to realize he was wrong in teaching this and so was I for believing him without knowing what the word really said.
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Yes, he can. That scripture was never about women wearing pants. We took it that way, because at the time UPC was formed MOST women wore dresses. HOWEVER, it is my opinion that scripture is talking about cross genders like the gays.
In other words, you dress to appear at the opposite sex. Never has been about women wearing pants.
Hope that helps.
Esther...You are Correct.
WE have a culture issue!
That is why most of the missionaries dont even deal with the whole pants thing on the field.
IF the culture overesees dictates a womans "pants", the missionaries usually do not force our interpretation of "partaineth to a man" on them.
And YES I do know this first hand!
Esther...You are Correct.
WE have a culture issue!
That is why most of the missionaries dont even deal with the whole pants thing on the field.
IF the culture overesees dictates a womans "pants", the missionaries usually do not force our interpretation of "partaineth to a man" on them.
And YES I do know this first hand!
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Esther...You are Correct.
WE have a culture issue!
That is why most of the missionaries dont even deal with the whole pants thing on the field.
IF the culture overesees dictates a womans "pants", the missionaries usually do not force our interpretation of "partaineth to a man" on them.
And YES I do know this first hand!
Which cultures do these particular conservative missionaries work with?
Gary Edmonds in Taiwan
Chip Shepherd in the middle east
The Lambeths in Brazil
The Nix Family in Peru
My memory escapes me at present of more, but in looking at all those pictures, I would say that the Alvears believe and teach dress standards. I am sure Bro Epley could post many more.
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