What This Cruel War Was Over

Jermyn Davidson · #1 06-23-2015, 03:29 PM

Does anyone care to discuss the merits of this article?

Originalist, this is where you can enter your thoughts about the confederate flag.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...tm_source=SFFB

good samaritan · #2 06-23-2015, 03:54 PM

I don't agree with slavery, but in scripture Paul admonishes slaves to do good for their masters. Why is this? I think Paul understood that the greatest things people where slave to was sin. The thing we should be free from is sin. I think the church should try to remain as neutral as possible in these race wars. The Church is a body where blacks and whites have love and respect for one another. We should relinquish our pride from either side of these race wars. Love those who persecute you. That is the message of Jesus Christ and are we his followers. Satan laughs at all the confusion that is caused from this and many such topics. Flags really mean nothing, no matter what is on it. The heart of men is what is important. If this nation would have Holy Ghost revival this wouldn't even be an issue.

Praxeas · #3 06-23-2015, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

I don't agree with slavery, but in scripture Paul admonishes slaves to do good for their masters. Why is this? I think Paul understood that the greatest things people where slave to was sin. The thing we should be free from is sin. I think the church should try to remain as neutral as possible in these race wars. The Church is a body where blacks and whites have love and respect for one another. We should relinquish our pride from either side of these race wars. Love those who persecute you. That is the message of Jesus Christ and are we his followers. Satan laughs at all the confusion that is caused from this and many such topics. Flags really mean nothing, no matter what is on it. The heart of men is what is important. If this nation would have Holy Ghost revival this wouldn't even be an issue.

Paul said that because to NOT would jeopardize their lives and the lives of the church as well as be a bad witness to potential slave masters coming to Christ.

Praxeas · #4 06-23-2015, 05:18 PM

That flag is and has been a symbol of WHITE southern Pride. When they say "Heritage", that goes back before Civil rights when blacks could not drink from the same water fountain.

It goes back to the civil war which was over the state's RIGHTS to own slaves.

It needs to be removed from government buildings

Originalist · #5 06-23-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

That flag is and has been a symbol of WHITE southern Pride. When they say "Heritage", that goes back before Civil rights when blacks could not drink from the same water fountain.

It goes back to the civil war which was over the state's RIGHTS to own slaves.

It needs to be removed from government buildings

It's a symbol of SOUTHERN pride, not WHITE southern pride.

And the states rights that were fought over, was the right to leave the union. The "right" to own slaves was not legally being questioned.

Fionn mac Cumh · #6 06-23-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

It's a symbol of SOUTHERN pride, not WHITE southern pride.

And the states rights that were fought over, was the right to leave the union. The "right" to own slaves was not legally being questioned.

Lincoln knew he couldnt and wouldnt outlaw slavery. Thats why he and others wanted to make sure new states werent slave states. The slave states were scared of the fact that the new states were going to be anti slave states and that the slaves states would be out numbered and not have an equal say in things. Again, slavery was at the heart of everything. The succession and the war.

Praxeas · #7 06-23-2015, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

It's a symbol of SOUTHERN pride, not WHITE southern pride.

And the states rights that were fought over, was the right to leave the union. The "right" to own slaves was not legally being questioned.

I'm talking about HISTORY. It's original intent was to distinguish the North from South in the South's war to succeed over rights to enslave blacks.

Yes it WAS being questioned. You are ignoring history. Revisionist history denies that. You claimed to have even read the Historical quotes that show it WAS over slavery..the right to have slaves

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...tm_source=SFFB

http://www.civilwar.org/education/hi....google.com%2F

"While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War, Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries.""

Praxeas · #8 06-26-2015, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

It's a symbol of SOUTHERN pride, not WHITE southern pride.

And the states rights that were fought over, was the right to leave the union. The "right" to own slaves was not legally being questioned.

Pride in what? The past? The slave owners? The people who chose to not give blacks their civil rights? The people that put up signs "No Negros Allowed"?

good samaritan · #9 06-23-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Paul said that because to NOT would jeopardize their lives and the lives of the church as well as be a bad witness to potential slave masters coming to Christ.

I agree with you. That wasn't the focus of my post though. This whole issue is built upon hate. Both sides are at fault, but we the church are to beacons of light and not ring leaders to bring about more hate.

Liteweight47 · #10 06-28-2015, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

I don't agree with slavery, but in scripture Paul admonishes slaves to do good for their masters. Why is this? I think Paul understood that the greatest things people where slave to was sin. The thing we should be free from is sin. I think the church should try to remain as neutral as possible in these race wars. The Church is a body where blacks and whites have love and respect for one another. We should relinquish our pride from either side of these race wars. Love those who persecute you. That is the message of Jesus Christ and are we his followers. Satan laughs at all the confusion that is caused from this and many such topics. Flags really mean nothing, no matter what is on it. The heart of men is what is important. If this nation would have Holy Ghost revival this wouldn't even be an issue.

I certainly understand your point. But a part of being saved is admitting that we have sinned. One of America's greatest sins was slavery, and I think sometimes we like to act is if it wasn't what it was. It was a sin. Jim Crow was a sin. There were many in the Pentecostal movement that supported segregation and even enabled it and I would be willing to say that just like any other sin, had they not repented before they passed away (tongue talking or not) they died lost.