It's official, T.D. Jakes is Trinitarian

[HolyFire]

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=37054

Wonder how much of it is real, how much of it because they wanted to stop selling his books in Lifeway?

All kidding aside, once he started looking at Benny Hinn as a man of God I lost all faith in him, as I do any others who view Hinn the same.

[Dordrecht]

Why would you put faith in a preacher to start with?

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Why would you put faith in a preacher to start with?

I think you misunderstand my use of the word. Let's not major on semantics here. k?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

I think you misunderstand my use of the word. Let's not major on semantics here. k?

Well you DID say you put your faith in the guy.....

[Michael The Disciple]

Jakes is still on the fence. He still has the same views he had before. "Manifestations" are not the same as persons. The Trins are STILL suspicious of him. They want him to confess Oneness people are heretics which so far he wont do. Trinitarian theologian types wont be satisfied til he does.

[Hoovie]

Ironic, but one definition of "person" is mode of existence... Hmmm

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Ironic, but one definition of "person" is mode of existence... Hmmm

This is from Bro. Dan Segraves' blog of January 2009.
http://danielsegraves.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.html
Bo. Seagraves is a respected minister and teacher in the UPC

He quotes Alister E. McGrath, a trinitarian, on the subject of God being 3 "persons" or 1 "person"

So, after reading this, do we believe in a God who is 3 persons, or who is 1 person, or who can be defined both ways depending on the meaning of the word person?
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Alister E. McGrath’s simplified answer to the question, “How can God be three persons and one person at the same time?” may be helpful.

The word ‘person’ has changed its meaning since the third century when it began to be used in connection with the ‘threefoldness of God’. When we talk about God as a person, we naturally think of God as being one person. But theologians such as Tertullian, writing in the third century, used the word ‘person’ with a different meaning. The word ‘person’ originally derives from the Latin word persona, meaning an actor’s face-mask—and, by extension, the role which he takes in a play.

By stating that there were three persons but only one God, Tertullian was asserting that all three major roles in the great drama of human redemption are played by the one and the same God. The three great roles in this drama are all played by the same actor: God. Each of these roles may reveal God in a somewhat different way, but it is the same God in every case. So when we talk about God as one person, we mean one person in the modern sense of the word, and when we talk about God as three persons, we mean three persons in the ancient sense of the word. . . . Confusing these two senses of the word ‘person’ inevitably leads to the idea that God is actually a committee . . . .

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Sam

This is from Bro. Dan Segraves' blog of January 2009.
http://danielsegraves.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.html
Bo. Seagraves is a respected minister and teacher in the UPC

He quotes Alister E. McGrath, a trinitarian, on the subject of God being 3 "persons" or 1 "person"

So, after reading this, do we believe in a God who is 3 persons, or who is 1 person, or who can be defined both ways depending on the meaning of the word person?
----------------------------------------------------------

Alister E. McGrath’s simplified answer to the question, “How can God be three persons and one person at the same time?” may be helpful.

The word ‘person’ has changed its meaning since the third century when it began to be used in connection with the ‘threefoldness of God’. When we talk about God as a person, we naturally think of God as being one person. But theologians such as Tertullian, writing in the third century, used the word ‘person’ with a different meaning. The word ‘person’ originally derives from the Latin word persona, meaning an actor’s face-mask—and, by extension, the role which he takes in a play.

By stating that there were three persons but only one God, Tertullian was asserting that all three major roles in the great drama of human redemption are played by the one and the same God. The three great roles in this drama are all played by the same actor: God. Each of these roles may reveal God in a somewhat different way, but it is the same God in every case. So when we talk about God as one person, we mean one person in the modern sense of the word, and when we talk about God as three persons, we mean three persons in the ancient sense of the word. . . . Confusing these two senses of the word ‘person’ inevitably leads to the idea that God is actually a committee . . . .

tertullian was a modalist..

[Dordrecht]

Whatever Jakes is....people are getting saved through his ministry.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Whatever Jakes is....people are getting saved through his ministry.

Isn't that awesome?

Many people want to deny this fact and deny his influence.