Do All Speak With Tongues?

[deacon blues]

What, in your opinion, does this statement imply from I Cor. 12:30? Get in small groups and discuss...

[Hoovie]

By itself I Cor 12:30 certainly implies all do not speak in tongues.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

What, in your opinion, does this statement imply from I Cor. 12:30? Get in small groups and discuss...

In reference to the charismata, no, everyone does not have the gift of tongues but everyone who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit will speak with other tongues even if only that one time.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

In reference to the charismata, no, everyone does not have the gift of tongues but everyone who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit will speak with other tongues even if only that one time.

if you look at ephesians 2:8-9

Ephesians 2:8-9
New King James Version (NKJV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

that word gift which is the Gift of the Holy spirit, the promise of God is the word Charisma, its the same word used to represent the gifts of the Spirit.

also your statement is wrong, if a person speaks with tounges then they have the gift of tounges, and they will always have it.


they do not lose it
romans 11:29 For God's gifts and his call can never be withdrawn.

so if they speak in tounges at the baptism they will always be able to according to scripture. so we must accept what paul sais is true not all speak with tounges.

i also want to point out that Tounges is not the only sign given, mark 16;17 talks about other signs.

we also see soem prophesied, some spoke with boldness. tounges is a evidence of the spirit but not the only one

God Bless

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by acerrak

if you look at ephesians 2:8-9

Ephesians 2:8-9
New King James Version (NKJV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

that word gift which is the Gift of the Holy spirit, the promise of God is the word Charisma, its the same word used to represent the gifts of the Spirit.

also your statement is wrong, if a person speaks with tounges then they have the gift of tounges, and they will always have it.

The word, gift, in Ephesians 2:8 is dorea in the Greek not charisma. Paul is speaking of the "gift" of salvation not the "gift" of the Holy Spirit.

they do not lose it
romans 11:29 For God's gifts and his call can never be withdrawn.

so if they speak in tounges at the baptism they will always be able to according to scripture. so we must accept what paul sais is true not all speak with tounges.

I disagree with your interpretation. My experience was that I spoke with tongues when I received the Holy Spirit and then I did not speak in tongues again for almost a year after that while I was in the throws of childbirth, and not again since then in almost 30 years. I've diligently sought after tongues with much prayer, fasting, and tears thinking that something was wrong with my walk with God. I can't speak in tongues if I wanted to and I won't fake it because the times I did speak with tongues, they flowed out of me without any effort or thought on my part. So why don't I speak with tongues, because I don't and never have had the gift of tongues. I had the initial evidence of tongues and then an odd one-off experience of tongues while going through labor pains.

I understand there to be an initial evidence of tongues for everyone who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is not the same as the gift of tongues. That is why I don't speak with tongues.

also want to point out that Tounges is not the only sign given, mark 16;17 talks about other signs.

we also see soem prophesied, some spoke with boldness. tounges is a evidence of the spirit but not the only one

I believe those who spoke with tongues when they initially received the gift of the Spirit went on to prophesy. Boldness is not a gift of the Spirit nor is it the same, imo, as "power" or dunamis (Greek). The only sign given to us by the writers of the NT of Spirit baptism is tongues.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The word, gift, in Ephesians 2:8 is dorea in the Greek not charisma. Paul is speaking of the "gift" of salvation not the "gift" of the Holy Spirit.

I disagree with your interpretation. My experience was that I spoke with tongues when I received the Holy Spirit and then I did not speak in tongues again for almost a year after that while I was in the throws of childbirth, and not again since then in almost 30 years. I've diligently sought after tongues with much prayer, fasting, and tears thinking that something was wrong with my walk with God. I can't speak in tongues if I wanted to and I won't fake it because the times I did speak with tongues, they flowed out of me without any effort or thought on my part. So why don't I speak with tongues, because I don't and never have had the gift of tongues. I had the initial evidence of tongues and then an odd one-off experience of tongues while going through labor pains.

I understand there to be an initial evidence of tongues for everyone who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is not the same as the gift of tongues. That is why I don't speak with tongues.


I believe those who spoke with tongues when they initially received the gift of the Spirit went on to prophesy. Boldness is not a gift of the Spirit nor is it the same, imo, as "power" or dunamis (Greek). The only sign given to us by the writers of the NT of Spirit baptism is tongues.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The word, gift, in Ephesians 2:8 is dorea in the Greek not charisma. Paul is speaking of the "gift" of salvation not the "gift" of the Holy Spirit.

I disagree with your interpretation. My experience was that I spoke with tongues when I received the Holy Spirit and then I did not speak in tongues again for almost a year after that while I was in the throws of childbirth, and not again since then in almost 30 years. I've diligently sought after tongues with much prayer, fasting, and tears thinking that something was wrong with my walk with God. I can't speak in tongues if I wanted to and I won't fake it because the times I did speak with tongues, they flowed out of me without any effort or thought on my part. So why don't I speak with tongues, because I don't and never have had the gift of tongues. I had the initial evidence of tongues and then an odd one-off experience of tongues while going through labor pains.

eh i disagree i had the Spirit, produced fruit for God, He answered my prayers, changed my life my living.... All this was way before i ever spoke in tounges.
Jesus said you will know my disciples by their fruit, not by tounges
I understand there to be an initial evidence of tongues for everyone who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is not the same as the gift of tongues. That is why I don't speak with tongues. (you need to study the bible says the gifts are irrevocable, you speak in tounges you will always have that Gift its bible)


I believe those who spoke with tongues when they initially received the gift of the Spirit went on to prophesy. Boldness is not a gift of the Spirit nor is it the same, imo, as "power" or dunamis (Greek). The only sign given to us by the writers of the NT of Spirit baptism is tongues.

its ok to disagree i stand on the bible, and not bad hermenuetics

also i do apologize i gave the wrong verse romans 6;23 for the wages of sin is death but the Gift of God is eternal life through Jesus

this word in greek is charisma

i also want to point out that the prophet joel mentioned nothing about tounges in his prophecy, and i want to add you will have to argue with mark 16:17 cause its clear these signs will follow, tounges is just one of those

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by acerrak

its ok to disagree i stand on the bible, and not bad hermenuetics

also i do apologize i gave the wrong verse romans 6;23 for the wages of sin is death but the Gift of God is eternal life through Jesus

this word in greek is charisma

i also want to point out that the prophet joel mentioned nothing about tounges in his prophecy, and i want to add you will have to argue with mark 16:17 cause its clear these signs will follow, tounges is just one of those

Romans 6:23...the gift = eternal life (not the gift of the Holy Spirit). Paul directly states that the gift is eternal life. That's clear.

An argument from silence doesn't really lend you much support since Peter clearly recognized the events of Acts 2:1-4 as a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy and Peter goes on to recognize tongues as evidence of Spirit baptism in Acts 10 and Acts 11.

I rarely, if ever anymore, resort to Mark 16 for support of any doctrine although I do believe that the long ending of Mark is true. But if you want to go there, Mark is not saying that those 'signs' are the initial evidence of Spirit baptism. He is merely stating that these are signs that follow believers.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

In reference to the charismata, no, everyone does not have the gift of tongues but everyone who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit will speak with other tongues even if only that one time.

I agree with Mizpeh. And chances are, if they continue on to know the LORD, they will speak in tongues again...and again..!

Falla39

[Michael The Disciple]

Here Paul insinuates all spoke in tongues.

1 Cor. 14:18

I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

Here again:

1 Cor. 14:23

14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?