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Identity Movement
About 15 years ago I was exposed to the Christian Identity movement. Some Apostolic people who were close to me were involved in this faux KKK movement. For those not familiar with the Christian Identity movement Wiki has some good info on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christi...ntity_movement
At the time several Apostolic ministers adhered to the tenets Christian Identity. Their religious fanaticism either marginalized the Jews and other "non white" races or openly named them as children of the devil.
With the recent resurgence of the apostolic Identity term and attempts to redefine the same, it brings questions about those who propagated the Identity message - even while licensed ministers of the UPC and other Apostolic churches.
I know the government was cracking down hard on these groups and the "Identity" ministries who propagated the teachings. Does anyone know the current status of these Apostolic Identity ministries?
At least one of these was located in Michican, and had close ties to the better known Pete Peters and his Scriptures for America http://www.sfaw.org/
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02-20-2011, 12:08 AM
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Re: Identity Movement
I am in the South, some would call it the deep South, and have not encountered any of it here.
I know it did have some adherants in the Midwest where I lived in the 70's and 80's, but we referred to is as British Israelism.
If I remember correctly, this may have had some correlation with serpent seed, but I am not totally sure.
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02-20-2011, 10:20 AM
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Re: Identity Movement
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I am in the South, some would call it the deep South, and have not encountered any of it here.
I know it did have some adherants in the Midwest where I lived in the 70's and 80's, but we referred to is as British Israelism.
If I remember correctly, this may have had some correlation with serpent seed, but I am not totally sure.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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02-20-2011, 10:37 AM
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Re: Identity Movement
Hey Hoov - were you intending to link the new AI forum with the AI movement?
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Were you intending to line DKB's AI with the AI movement?
Either juxtaposition is fair game!
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02-20-2011, 11:09 AM
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Re: Identity Movement
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Hey Hoov - were you intending to link the new AI forum with the AI movement?
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Were you intending to line DKB's AI with the AI movement?
Either juxtaposition is fair game!
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I don't know that there is a "link" to either one at all. They are both redefining the term. However, for those of us who were exposed to the Christian Identity groups and in particular Apostolic Identity it is very peculiar indeed.
When I first started hearing term bandied about in mainstream Apostolic churches I thought, "man, do they really want to do that?"
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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02-20-2011, 03:38 PM
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Re: Identity Movement
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I don't know that there is a "link" to either one at all. They are both redefining the term. However, for those of us who were exposed to the Christian Identity groups and in particular Apostolic Identity it is very peculiar indeed.
When I first started hearing term bandied about in mainstream Apostolic churches I thought, "man, do they really want to do that?"
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I poo-pooed the idea there was any intent, in fact, posted it at that "other place." But when I saw the bolded, I thought, "Hmm...and you're just now saying something?" But whichever, love believes all things, hopes all things, and endures all things, so while the timing is a bit of a head-scratcher, I'm not going to assume anything. 
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Re: Identity Movement
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I poo-pooed the idea there was any intent, in fact, posted it at that "other place." But when I saw the bolded, I thought, "Hmm...and you're just now saying something?" But whichever, love believes all things, hopes all things, and endures all things, so while the timing is a bit of a head-scratcher, I'm not going to assume anything. |
Why don't you ever take that tact with me?  I think I feel persecuted....
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02-20-2011, 03:54 PM
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Re: Identity Movement
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Why don't you ever take that tact with me? I think I feel persecuted.... |
'Cause you're one'a them women!!! And I don't like none of them-ere women in authority!
But yes, I assume things about you....that you're an exceptionally wise, well-balanced, thoughtful, smart, and well-spoken. Is it ok if I assume that? 
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Re: Identity Movement
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Why don't you ever take that tact with me? I think I feel persecuted.... |
"... tack with me..." It's a nautical term. And you are persecuted.
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02-20-2011, 11:01 AM
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Re: Identity Movement
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
About 15 years ago I was exposed to the Christian Identity movement. Some Apostolic people who were close to me were involved in this faux KKK movement. For those not familiar with the Christian Identity movement Wiki has some good info on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christi...ntity_movement
At the time several Apostolic ministers adhered to the tenets Christian Identity. Their religious fanaticism either marginalized the Jews and other "non white" races or openly named them as children of the devil.
With the recent resurgence of the apostolic Identity term and attempts to redefine the same, it brings questions about those who propagated the Identity message - even while licensed ministers of the UPC and other Apostolic churches.
I know the government was cracking down hard on these groups and the "Identity" ministries who propagated the teachings. Does anyone know the current status of these Apostolic Identity ministries?
At least one of these was located in Michican, and had close ties to the better known Pete Peters and his Scriptures for America http://www.sfaw.org/ |
I don't think the so called Apostolic Identity has any comparison to Christian Identity. It seems to be more about Apostolic doctrine. In any case, it's a sad sad fact that there are racists that call themselves Apostolic
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