My Mosque

[CC1]

Ok, so not really "my" mosque but one that is being built a mile down the road from where I live and one I will pass every day on my way to work.

In my town right outside Nashville they are building a huge 50,000 sq ft "Islamic Center" that includes classrooms, recreational facilities, and a Mosque.

I am sure their aim is to evangelize MTSU, the second largest University in the state of Tennessee that is just 5 minutes from this center.

While I am very disturbed about this project if there are no ties to radical Islam with the funding, board, and Imam of this center then there is no legal reason to keep it from being built.

This is a test of just how "christian" the christian community will react in our town and so far it is a mixed bag. Thankfully my pastor is showing christian love and character while still being vigilant about any danger to our community.

Yesterday evening as I was driving to a mens cookout at church I noticed a TV news van at the site. Later when I got home I checked the news on the web and found out somebody had vandalized three pieces of heavy equipment at the job site by setting them on fire. I am sure it is some redneck idiot "christians" thinking they are doing the will of God but falling into a trap to discredit christians who actually practice christianity

This Mosque is causing more division in the local christian community as they figure out how to respond to it than anything in the past. Like my pastor I am praying for wisdom in how we respond.

[Walks_in_islam]

Why don't you get a group of your neighbors together, make an appointment, and go down there and see for yourselves? What is worse in the imagination - the known or unknown? Pardon me but you are approaching this like you are driving by a haunted house or something. "Lock and load" (LOL not literally please) and drop in one day.

Do you really believe that the schools and community centers are being built to "evangelize?". Our community center in Houston had a clinic, legal aid center (mostly helping immigrants as I recall), a small school, and a mosque. The Muslim community for the most part stayed to themselves (evangelize? It is not like the Muslim community is welcome or anything even my wife had to be careful going out alone as the term "raghead" got tossed at her a few times from truck windows) I recall that there were always people from the area who dropped by to see what was going on including a couple of area ministers and many of the neighbors around the mosque. If any of our neighbors had an issue (examples traffic, noise, etc) they would call and we would catch hell from the Imam about respecting the community.

So go and see. The last thing the Muslim community wanted (at least in our case) was to have problems, offend, or create issues with our neighbors.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Why don't you get a group of your neighbors together, make an appointment, and go down there and see for yourselves? What is worse in the imagination - the known or unknown? Pardon me but you are approaching this like you are driving by a haunted house or something. "Lock and load" (LOL not literally please) and drop in one day.

Do you really believe that the schools and community centers are being built to "evangelize?". Our community center in Houston had a clinic, legal aid center (mostly helping immigrants as I recall), a small school, and a mosque. The Muslim community for the most part stayed to themselves (evangelize? It is not like the Muslim community is welcome or anything even my wife had to be careful going out alone as the term "raghead" got tossed at her a few times from truck windows) I recall that there were always people from the area who dropped by to see what was going on including a couple of area ministers and many of the neighbors around the mosque. If any of our neighbors had an issue (examples traffic, noise, etc) they would call and we would catch hell from the Imam about respecting the community.

So go and see. The last thing the Muslim community wanted (at least in our case) was to have problems, offend, or create issues with our neighbors.

The angle that most Muslims are just peace loving folks would carry a lot more weight if the vast majority of them had not remained silent after 9-11. If Islam has been "hijacked" by extreme militants who don't reflect the view of most why wasn't there a worldwide pushback against this extreme "minority"?

It is not like I think most of the Muslim population in my town are about to plant an IED or anything but I think the vast majority of muslims are complicit by their silence. Also many who would not do actual violence themselves support and approve those who do.

Care to respond to my remarks about Muslim communities attempts to have Sharia Law in Great Britain and in America? That is documented fact. Islam wants to conquor, not co exist.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by CC1

The angle that most Muslims are just peace loving folks would carry a lot more weight if the vast majority of them had not remained silent after 9-11. If Islam has been "hijacked" by extreme militants who don't reflect the view of most why wasn't there a worldwide pushback against this extreme "minority"?

It is not like I think most of the Muslim population in my town are about to plant an IED or anything but I think the vast majority of muslims are complicit by their silence. Also many who would not do actual violence themselves support and approve those who do.

Care to respond to my remarks about Muslim communities attempts to have Sharia Law in Great Britain and in America? That is documented fact. Islam wants to conquor, not co exist.

Exactly.

I think I saw all I need to know when them moderate peace loving palestinians were celebrating out in the streets throwing candy in the air on 9-11-01.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Exactly.

I think I saw all I need to know when them moderate peace loving palestinians were celebrating out in the streets throwing candy in the air on 9-11-01.

The night assembly supervisor I had hired through a temp agency was a muslim from one of the "stans" near Afghanistan and the night of 9-11 freaked the people he was supervising out by telling them it was a great day and he wanted to buy them all soft drinks at break to celebrate.

When I got to work the next morning the day manager came to me and said two of our night shift employees had come to him freaked out by what had happened. These two were long time employees who we trusted implicitly so I called the temp agency and told them not to send that guy back. The temp agency would not believe it when I told them what he had done and insinuated the other employees were lying. Then a couple of hours later they called back and apologized because when they confronted him he readily admitted it was true. Why some idiot like this that hates America wants to be here is beyond me unless he wants to contribute to its destruction.

This is an anecdotal account and not a survey of muslim views but I believe it is typical of many muslims views. They might not do something horrific themselves but applaud those who do.

[Sam]

how about this for learning more about Islam?

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by CC1

The angle that most Muslims are just peace loving folks would carry a lot more weight if the vast majority of them had not remained silent after 9-11. If Islam has been "hijacked" by extreme militants who don't reflect the view of most why wasn't there a worldwide pushback against this extreme "minority"?

It is not like I think most of the Muslim population in my town are about to plant an IED or anything but I think the vast majority of muslims are complicit by their silence. Also many who would not do actual violence themselves support and approve those who do.

Care to respond to my remarks about Muslim communities attempts to have Sharia Law in Great Britain and in America? That is documented fact. Islam wants to conquor, not co exist.

[geekette]

Originally Posted by CC1

The angle that most Muslims are just peace loving folks would carry a lot more weight if the vast majority of them had not remained silent after 9-11. If Islam has been "hijacked" by extreme militants who don't reflect the view of most why wasn't there a worldwide pushback against this extreme "minority"?

It is not like I think most of the Muslim population in my town are about to plant an IED or anything but I think the vast majority of muslims are complicit by their silence. Also many who would not do actual violence themselves support and approve those who do.

Care to respond to my remarks about Muslim communities attempts to have Sharia Law in Great Britain and in America? That is documented fact. Islam wants to conquor, not co exist.

Erm, would you like to repeat this to the Iraqis and Afghanis who have had Christian American soldiers in their midst for years now? They know about conquerors. You might also look at the history of Christian missionaries over the centuries. When they came in with the backing of state power (e.g., Spanish and Portuguese), there was no attempt, none whatsoever, at co-existence. It was, basically, convert or die.

Also, are you aware that there are Jewish tribunals that enforce their own interpretation of Jewish laws with regard to all sorts of things, such as marriage and divorce. (You might want to google the word "Agunah," which means "chained." As in chained to a marriage. The couple may be divorced in the eyes of the state, but until the husband gives the wife what's known as a 'get,' she's still married to him, hence the term 'agunot'. It's a fairly ugly situation and secular courts can order the man to give his ex a get but he can just very stubbornly refuse.)

It's not like we in America haven't been through this before. There are still pockets of anti-Catholicism out there, but at least people aren't burning down convents anymore.

[Walks_in_islam]

<sigh>

I am quite sure that infinite angles can be imagined and will not parry words with another's imagination. The issue at hand was your community and the Muslims in your community. They are, after all, families with children with bills with jobs with the same issues that your families have.

IF the suggestion to see for oneself and gain knowledge for oneself by personally investigating something that is bothering one is declined, then I must leave you to your active and fertile imagination. Do not allow your opinion in any way, shape, or form to get in the way of gathering facts.

I do not at this time live in the US but when I did I did not live under Sharia law. I lived under Texas law (we all did LOL) and do not propose to speak for how others do and do not want to live especially in faraway Britain. Nor will I or my family be lumped into a pile that someone may have "read something about".

Regards

wii

Originally Posted by CC1

The angle that most Muslims are just peace loving folks would carry a lot more weight if the vast majority of them had not remained silent after 9-11. If Islam has been "hijacked" by extreme militants who don't reflect the view of most why wasn't there a worldwide pushback against this extreme "minority"?

It is not like I think most of the Muslim population in my town are about to plant an IED or anything but I think the vast majority of muslims are complicit by their silence. Also many who would not do actual violence themselves support and approve those who do.

Care to respond to my remarks about Muslim communities attempts to have Sharia Law in Great Britain and in America? That is documented fact. Islam wants to conquor, not co exist.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by CC1

The angle that most Muslims are just peace loving folks would carry a lot more weight if the vast majority of them had not remained silent after 9-11. ..

Also, if they had not wildly rejoiced and danced in the streets over the great Muslim victory over the great satan...... but those scenes were quickly pulled off the news and we were told that Islam is a peaceful religion.