Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apostolic

[DAII]

FRUIT???!!!

The following was posted today by a prominent, high-ranking UPCI pastor:



I'm sorry but COLOR ME BAPTIST ...

The fruit of the Spirit is not enough?
We need "apostolic fruit" for "apostolic revival"?

The gifts or charismata of the Spirit are too entertaining? Requiring less work for us?

Edward Anglin you were right. Holy Toledo!

Yes, officially a cult of Pelagianism has gripped many in Apostolica .... where one's performance is the apex.

We now are branding His fruit ... sad.

[Emergent Man]

Originally Posted by DAII

FRUIT???!!!

The following was posted today by a prominent, high-ranking UPCI pastor:



I'm sorry but COLOR ME BAPTIST ...

The fruit of the Spirit is not enough?
We need "apostolic fruit" for "apostolic revival"?

The gifts or charismata of the Spirit are too entertaining? Requiring less work for us?

Edward Anglin you were right. Holy Toledo!

Yes, officially a cult of Pelagianism has gripped many in Apostolica .... where one's performance is the apex.

We now are branding His fruit ... sad.

A friend recently remarked - "I thank God for the Apostolic Cross".

[mfblume]

I think you missed his point. I think he is actually mocking "apostolic fruit" and using it sarcastically, since he spoke to what people call "apostolic revival" when no fruit are mentioned. I would say he agrees with you more than you think, DAII. With all their "apostolic revival" references, where is their (to use THEIR TERMS) "Apostolic" fruit. Your reference man used sarcasm, bro. Sarcasm. ...unless I missed something.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think you missed his point. I think he is actually mocking "apostolic fruit" and using it sarcastically, since he spoke to what people call "apostolic revival" when no fruit are mentioned. I would say he agrees with you more than you think, DAII. With all their "apostolic revival" references, where is their, to use THEIR TERMS "Apostolic" fruit. Your reference man used sarcasm, bro. Sarcasm. ...unless I missed something.

Then why say the gifts are too entertaining and less work for us. Whether his focus is on apostolic fruit or not ....
Methinks there is some screwed up theology somewhere here ... Blumie.

The reality is the term is making headway.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by DAII

Then why say the gifts are too entertaining and less work for us. Whether the focus is on apostolic fruit or not ....
Methinks there is some screwed up theology somewhere here ... Blumie.

Still makes sense to me, D. I think he means that emphasis on the gifts is wrong. Sensationalism. Paul said the gifts were operated fully by the Corinthians (1 Cor 1:7) but they were yet carnal (3:3). They are an example of emphasis on gifts and lacking in fruit as is evident in Ch 3 and 13.

You can get by with a lot of trash by emphasis on gifts and no fruit.

The dude is right, IMHO. Think "Corinthian". By not enough work, he means not enough getting hold of God in self denial and allowing the Spirit to change our lives, which you can escape when you emphasize the gifts. I preach this all the time! And I love the gifts, too.

Jesus spoke of those who cast out devils and perform wonders and how He never knew them. No self denial.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Still makes sense to me, D. I think he means that emphasis on the gifts is wrong. Sensationalism. Paul said the gifts were operated fully by the Corinthians (1 Cor 1:7) but they were yet carnal (3:3). They are an example of emphasis on gifts and lacking in fruit as is evident in Ch 3 and 13.

You can get by with a lot of trash by emphasis on gifts and no fruit.

The dude is right, IMHO. Think "Corinthian". By not enough work, he means not enough getting hold of God in self denial and allowing the Spirit to change our lives, which you can escape when you emphasize the gifts. I preach this all the time! And I love the gifts, too.

Jesus spoke of those who cast out devils and perform wonders and how He never knew them. No self denial.

This makes much more sense!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

Then why say the gifts are too entertaining and less work for us. Whether his focus is on apostolic fruit or not ....
Methinks there is some screwed up theology somewhere here ... Blumie.

The reality is the term is making headway.

He was being critical of those that focus on gifts and never mention fruit as far as revival goes

[A.W. Bowman]

Thanks Mike - I think you got the original author's thoughts correctly - I read them the same. Too much hype and shows, not enough fruit, which requires dogging it out day by day without a lot of fanfare.

DAII, I can see where you got your take on the original post, but as it so often happens on thee forums, the original intent can be easily missed. I think the original post was a 'tongue in cheek' post.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Thanks Mike - I think you got the original author's thoughts correctly - I read them the same. Too much hype and shows, not enough fruit, which requires dogging it out day by day without a lot of fanfare.

DAII, I can see where you got your take on the original post, but as it so often happens on thee forums, the original intent can be easily missed. I think the original post was a 'tongue in cheek' post.

I may be mistaken in his attachment to the term "apostolic fruit" ... will see what his response is ... however the reality still is that the term is making its rounds ... and for him to address it means it's most likely floating about Apostolica.

The Apostolic branding is everywhere and its scary.

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by DAII

I may be mistaken in his attachment to the term "apostolic fruit" ... will see what his response is ... however the reality still is that the term is making its rounds ... and for him to address it means it's most likely floating about Apostolica.

The Apostolic branding is everywhere and its scary.

I agree with you on that one. Plus, another new term, at least for me, is Apostolica. It seems to me that we are becoming more in love with our identity terms than we are in the word of God, and even Jesus Himself.

To the readers of the thread:

I have been involved in a western church study on the study, teaching, and observance (practice) of apostolic teaching. Most Bible teachers and a great majority of believers do not know what the Apostles taught. Of what is known of what was taught during the first three centuries of the church, less than 50% of 'aposotlics' actually practice what they profess to know and accept. The results are: We are mostly apostolic in name only, not in doctrine.

Note: Observing Acts 2:38, speaking in tongues, women not cutting their hair or wearing pants, or the paying of tithes to a pastor does not an apostolic make! The point being made in this thread is simply that calling ourselves by any name, title, or descriptive term and having religious services that seek after signs and wonders (a 'religious' experience in the exercise of spiritual gifts), rather than developing a more intimate relationship with Jesus, does not meet the published biblical standards for corporate worship.

Walking in the fruit of the Spirit requires a much greater commitment to God than exercising (using or misusing) a 'gift' of that same Spirit. In some churches there is a worship atmosphere of worship of the gifts, while the giver of the gifts is all but ignored. Thank God that this sweeping indictment is not yet universal, but never-the-less, the problem continues to grows!