I recently came across some material stating that the late Bro. C.P. Williams from Tulsa established a bible school in 1939 that the UPCI endoresed in 1945but later withdrew its endorsement. Does anyone know why the endoresment was withdrawn and for how long did the school operate?
When I was 18 I went to ABI in St. Paul, MN for one year. It was close to Wisconsin where I lived at the time and my pastor, Bro. Lester Thompson, had gone there.
Another school that was recommended to me by someone other than my pastor, was IBC, International Bible College in San Antonio. This school had been established by Leonard Coote who was a UPC missionary but the school was no longer endorsed by the UPC.
There were also UPC Bible schools in Portland (Conquerors Bible College I think it was called), Oregon and WABC in California. Both of them were far away from a farm town in Wisconsin.
When I got to ABI I learned about two other UPC Bible Schools. One was PBI (Pentecostal Bible Institute) in Tupelo, Mississippi and one was AC (Apostolic College) in Tulsa. The general feeling in St. Paul that I picked up was that PBI was "weak on the doctrine" and AC was overly strict on standards --no wedding rings, no caffeinated drinks, only Dr. Pepper allowed.
We in ABI sorta looked down our noses at those "other" schools because we were considered the best taught and soundest in the doctrine.
When I was 18 I went to ABI in St. Paul, MN for one year. It was close to Wisconsin where I lived at the time and my pastor, Bro. Lester Thompson, had gone there.
Another school that was recommended to me by someone other than my pastor, was IBC, International Bible College in San Antonio. This school had been established by Leonard Coote who was a UPC missionary but the school was no longer endorsed by the UPC.
There were also UPC Bible schools in Portland (Conquerors Bible College I think it was called), Oregon and WABC in California. Both of them were far away from a farm town in Wisconsin.
When I got to ABI I learned about two other UPC Bible Schools. One was PBI (Pentecostal Bible Institute) in Tupelo, Mississippi and one was AC (Apostolic College) in Tulsa. The general feeling in St. Paul that I picked up was that PBI was "weak on the doctrine" and AC was overly strict on standards --no wedding rings, no caffeinated drinks, only Dr. Pepper allowed.
We in ABI sorta looked down our noses at those "other" schools because we were considered the best taught and soundest in the doctrine.
And? Were you?
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Well, of course we thought we were. I heard some things that Bro. Norris taught and I just could not accept them. He was very strong on the three-step plan of salvation and I thought I had been saved for several months before I was baptized in Jesus' name. I thought that Jesus did come into my heart when I asked Him, and I thought that the change that happened to me was salvation. Silly me. I hadn't followed all the steps.
Something else he taught was on apostles and prophets. He taught that all the apostles and prophets of the New Testament church died in the first century and there could never be any more. He taught that there were only twelve apostles--never were any more and never could be any more-- and that Matthias in Acts 1:26 was not a real apostle. I was new in the Lord and hadn't been reading my Bible for long when I went there but I saw about 20 people (even one woman) called apostles in the Bible.
When I was at ABI I don't ever remember Bro. Norris being called "the Bear.
I guess he got that title later. We thought his initials S.G. stood for "Sagging Gut" because of the way his stomach hung out and the way his necktie hung down over it and followed its contour.
Well, of course we thought we were. I heard some things that Bro. Norris taught and I just could not accept them. He was very strong on the three-step plan of salvation and I thought I had been saved for several months before I was baptized in Jesus' name. I thought that Jesus did come into my heart when I asked Him, and I thought that the change that happened to me was salvation. Silly me. I hadn't followed all the steps.
Do you think you're saved now?
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Something else he taught was on apostles and prophets. He taught that all the apostles and prophets of the New Testament church died in the first century and there could never be any more. He taught that there were only twelve apostles--never were any more and never could be any more-- and that Matthias in Acts 1:26 was not a real apostle. I was new in the Lord and hadn't been reading my Bible for long when I went there but I saw about 20 people (even one woman) called apostles in the Bible.
Reminds me of something one of my kids was taught in Christian school: that every bone in Jesus' body was broken, on the cross. (He made the mistake of trying to correct his teacher's error. I thought he was smarter than that! )
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When I was at ABI I don't ever remember Bro. Norris being called "the Bear.
I guess he got that title later. We thought his initials S.G. stood for "Sagging Gut" because of the way his stomach hung out and the way his necktie hung down over it and followed its contour.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
When I was 18 I went to ABI in St. Paul, MN for one year. It was close to Wisconsin where I lived at the time and my pastor, Bro. Lester Thompson, had gone there.
Another school that was recommended to me by someone other than my pastor, was IBC, International Bible College in San Antonio. This school had been established by Leonard Coote who was a UPC missionary but the school was no longer endorsed by the UPC.
There were also UPC Bible schools in Portland (Conquerors Bible College I think it was called), Oregon and WABC in California. Both of them were far away from a farm town in Wisconsin.
When I got to ABI I learned about two other UPC Bible Schools. One was PBI (Pentecostal Bible Institute) in Tupelo, Mississippi and one was AC (Apostolic College) in Tulsa. The general feeling in St. Paul that I picked up was that PBI was "weak on the doctrine" and AC was overly strict on standards --no wedding rings, no caffeinated drinks, only Dr. Pepper allowed.
We in ABI sorta looked down our noses at those "other" schools because we were considered the best taught and soundest in the doctrine.
I'm just curious, why Dr. Pepper? And how did they get around the caffeinated drink rule and allow just one brand of pop?
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Re: Apostolic Bible School in Tulsa
Sam, I didn't remember about the Dr. Pepper thing. Bro.Williams told the women "if you want people to know you are married, get some kids to follow you around".
He was against any kind of jewelry and going to a Dr. for anything. The school was very, very, very strict but turned out some great preachers. I was there in 1950-1951 as a High School student and my brother graduated from the 8th. grade there. J B Lambeth was one of my high school class mates and we wrote to a couple of sisters from Texas, The Melton sisters.
I got into my share of trouble but had a lot of fun. The HS principal was Jack B. Still, a very nice and quiet man. I never thought he belonged there. Bro. Norman Dillon was the house master at the boy's dorm. There was two other Dillon brothers, Albert and ? who was students there at that time.
Peter Shebley was an instructor there the year before I went and his son, Dave Shebley, one of my best friends said that if one of the college students did something to displease CP he would make them stand through the service, which wasn't a short time.
I was the only HS student with a car and one time I was on restriction when the school was to go on an outing. I wasn't allowed to go until they decided they needed my car for transportation. That still amuses me.
The year after I left Tulsa I enrolled at ABI and worked in the office at the National Gould Battery company. Bro. Norris cut my year short because I had a fender bender with my car and hadn't turned my insurance policy into the school (didn't know I was supposed to).
I wanted to attend Coot's school in Texas but they dropped out of UPC during the Latter Rain outbreak.
I did graduate from Western Apostolic Bible College in Stockton, Ca. twice, once in 1964 and then again in1965..
Sam, I didn't remember about the Dr. Pepper thing....
The Dr. Pepper thing may have been a rumor. We heard that the people at the Tusla school were not allowed to drink Coke or Pepsi but could drink Dr. Pepper. At one time Coke had cocaine in it and "holiness" folks taught against drinking it. Dr. Pepper was non carbonated and made from natural roots, leaves, and berries or something unknown. It might not have been the caffeine thing although some holiness folks are against drinks with caffeine in them.
Well, one day some of us were looking through a yearbook from AC and we saw an ad for Dr. Pepper in the ad section in the back. We knowingly looked at each other because that "confirmed" the Dr. Pepper only doctrine in our eyes. We may have reached the wrong conclusion but it seemed to confirm what we had heard.
When I was at ABI, Lowell Mitchell was there. He had previously gone to AC.
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