Just for clarification, is there anyone here who believes that homosexuals and lesbians are going to be saved if they continue to live that lifestyle?
Gays and lesbians know deep down inside that their lifestyles are wrong, they don't even need to word of God to tell them that. They are constantly wanting approval from everyone else.
You can love them and should do so, but you must preach and teach to the congregation that is an abomination and it will send their souls to hell.
Another thing to ponder, there is a spirit that is associated with homosexuals and I have seen four young ladies seduced and led astray from the church because the pastor didn't address these issues due to pressure from the just love them crowd.
JMHO, that and a dollar still won't buy a tank of gas. I am a moderate Apostolic Pentecostal pastor and I can assure you I will preach and teach against homosexuality whenever and where ever it is neccesary. I had two men visit me recently, thought they could bring their talent to the church and still live as homosexuals. They didn't stick around, because sin must feel uncomfortable. We were nice and treated them right, but it was clear that homosexual lifestyle is not acceptable in the house of the Lord.
I still believe and teach holiness lifestyle, I do believe that that that have kicked holiness to the curb are on a slippery slope, I have never seen it just stay with just a dress code. My pastor kicked the dress code to the curb, took the church out of the UPC and then adultery crept in, next it was baptism and finally he is no longer oneness. Compromise comes in small increments. He is backslidden now and is lost unless he repents and finds his way back to the truth.
I teach principles of holiness, I don't teach against beards, short sleeves, or straight skirts, I do teach against the cutting of hair on women, slits past knees in skirts, men should have short hair, no wearing of shorts on either sex, and that sleeves shouldn't show your armpits if your arms are lifted. I don't teach against a wedding ring or engagement ring, and I still teach that we need to be modest even in our apparell. Colored shirts fine too! lol
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As I am sure most know JCM was plaqued with homosexuality problems, and their were alot who slid down the slippery slope and now are very far from any resemblence to being Apostolic Pentecostals. I see some seem to support these kinds of things but would like some clarification.
I hope that no here thinks that homosexuals will go to Heaven while continuing in this abomination of a lifestyle.
I believe you must treat everyone right, however, there is a spirit that is associated with this lifestyle. I have personally witnessed a backslidden lesbian girl seduce four young ladies out of the church and into that world. Our pastor thought if he just loved her enough and was kind enough to her that he could win her back. He never taught or preached against homosexuality and lesbianism and the lesbian felt comfortable in the church.
We must teach and preach the truth to these people, and in a way where sin is not comfortable.
I am a moderate Apostolic Pentecostal pastor, and although I am not an extemist I still believe in holiness dress distinctives. I watch my home church destroyed because our pastor let down on these principles. It is a slippery slope, first it was separation from the world in activities, then dress standards, and then adultery came in, baptism was no longer necessary, then neither was the Holy Ghost, and now he is a ear ring wearing trinitarian.
He damaged a good and healthy church, but it started in small increments. He was writing a book on why holiness didn't matter while at the same time he was having an affair. Then he wanted people to believe that God had given him the revelation of being delivered from bondage of holiness.
No one fights the holiness message harder or more violently than those who once embraced it. It is a slippery slope, and just so you know I don't preach against beards, or colored shirts, or straight skirts, or short sleeves, or wedding rings, etc. Holiness is based on principles, and tradition I realize that, but these things are a hedge or a fence of protection, tear them down and any unclean thing can come into your house.
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I am an undershepherd who is striving to tend to the field and the sheep that God called me to. I don't have time to tell other undershepherds how to do their jobs.
As I am sure most know JCM was plaqued with homosexuality problems, and their were alot who slid down the slippery slope and now are very far from any resemblence to being Apostolic Pentecostals. I see some seem to support these kinds of things but would like some clarification.
I hope that no here thinks that homosexuals will go to Heaven while continuing in this abomination of a lifestyle.
I believe you must treat everyone right, however, there is a spirit that is associated with this lifestyle. I have personally witnessed a backslidden lesbian girl seduce four young ladies out of the church and into that world. Our pastor thought if he just loved her enough and was kind enough to her that he could win her back. He never taught or preached against homosexuality and lesbianism and the lesbian felt comfortable in the church.
We must teach and preach the truth to these people, and in a way where sin is not comfortable.
I am a moderate Apostolic Pentecostal pastor, and although I am not an extemist I still believe in holiness dress distinctives. I watch my home church destroyed because our pastor let down on these principles. It is a slippery slope, first it was separation from the world in activities, then dress standards, and then adultery came in, baptism was no longer necessary, then neither was the Holy Ghost, and now he is a ear ring wearing trinitarian.
He damaged a good and healthy church, but it started in small increments. He was writing a book on why holiness didn't matter while at the same time he was having an affair. Then he wanted people to believe that God had given him the revelation of being delivered from bondage of holiness.
No one fights the holiness message harder or more violently than those who once embraced it. It is a slippery slope, and just so you know I don't preach against beards, or colored shirts, or straight skirts, or short sleeves, or wedding rings, etc. Holiness is based on principles, and tradition I realize that, but these things are a hedge or a fence of protection, tear them down and any unclean thing can come into your house.
The only thing I know of that is "plaqued" is my teeth. That being said, I should probably just sit this one out, because I'll get mad, post WAY too much, and eventually, the thread will get locked. I can give you a gay list from MY bible school, if you like, including my first roommate, who made massive fun of gays, who now runs a gay pentecostal organization.
The only thing I know of that is "plaqued" is my teeth. That being said, I should probably just sit this one out, because I'll get mad, post WAY too much, and eventually, the thread will get locked. I can give you a gay list from MY bible school, if you like, including my first roommate, who made massive fun of gays, who now runs a gay pentecostal organization.
So, I'll move along and be quiet.
I'm not even gonna say I'm not gonna say anything. DOH!
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... I can give you a gay list from MY bible school, if you like, including my first roommate, who made massive fun of gays, who now runs a gay pentecostal organization.
I knew that dot would immediately be connected. Interestingly, my mom identified him immediately. Dorm rooms were shared and I can honestly say, he gave every indication he wasn't gay, including making fun of gays in a way I would never have. Well, I wouldn't at all.
But I knew when I said what I said in that other post, I'd have to defend myself! Whatever.
I knew that dot would immediately be connected. Interestingly, my mom identified him immediately. Dorm rooms were shared and I can honestly say, he gave every indication he wasn't gay, including making fun of gays in a way I would never have. Well, I wouldn't at all.
But I knew when I said what I said in that other post, I'd have to defend myself! Whatever.
It's okay NoW, we still love you bro. Come on out of that closet.
As I am sure most know JCM was plaqued with homosexuality problems, and their were alot who slid down the slippery slope and now are very far from any resemblence to being Apostolic Pentecostals. I see some seem to support these kinds of things but would like some clarification.
I hope that no here thinks that homosexuals will go to Heaven while continuing in this abomination of a lifestyle.
I believe you must treat everyone right, however, there is a spirit that is associated with this lifestyle. I have personally witnessed a backslidden lesbian girl seduce four young ladies out of the church and into that world. Our pastor thought if he just loved her enough and was kind enough to her that he could win her back. He never taught or preached against homosexuality and lesbianism and the lesbian felt comfortable in the church.
We must teach and preach the truth to these people, and in a way where sin is not comfortable.
I am a moderate Apostolic Pentecostal pastor, and although I am not an extemist I still believe in holiness dress distinctives. I watch my home church destroyed because our pastor let down on these principles. It is a slippery slope, first it was separation from the world in activities, then dress standards, and then adultery came in, baptism was no longer necessary, then neither was the Holy Ghost, and now he is a ear ring wearing trinitarian.
He damaged a good and healthy church, but it started in small increments. He was writing a book on why holiness didn't matter while at the same time he was having an affair. Then he wanted people to believe that God had given him the revelation of being delivered from bondage of holiness.
No one fights the holiness message harder or more violently than those who once embraced it. It is a slippery slope, and just so you know I don't preach against beards, or colored shirts, or straight skirts, or short sleeves, or wedding rings, etc. Holiness is based on principles, and tradition I realize that, but these things are a hedge or a fence of protection, tear them down and any unclean thing can come into your house.
Just for the record, as a 1978 graduate of JCM...the number of homosexuals was in the minority. And not every church that chooses a different dress standard has sin in the camp.
Also, 'Holiness' is the mind and character of God and there is no red letters in my Bible addressing anything but inward conditions of the heart. Paul's statements in Corinthians are open for interpretation and in the Greek and Hebrew are not addressed as you seem to think.
Why can't you just pray for people who use make-up instead of condemn them. Some women are truly beautiful without it and some need to paint the barn...LOL. Regardless - it is up to the individual to "work out their own salvation with fear and trembling."
Just for the record, as a 1978 graduate of JCM...the number of homosexuals was in the minority. And not every church that chooses a different dress standard has sin in the camp.
Also, 'Holiness' is the mind and character of God and there is no red letters in my Bible addressing anything but inward conditions of the heart. Paul's statements in Corinthians are open for interpretation and in the Greek and Hebrew are not addressed as you seem to think.
Why can't you just pray for people who use make-up instead of condemn them. Some women are truly beautiful without it and some need to paint the barn...LOL. Regardless - it is up to the individual to "work out their own salvation with fear and trembling."
Blessings, Rhoni
Remember, we only paint dead things. LOL
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I am an undershepherd who is striving to tend to the field and the sheep that God called me to. I don't have time to tell other undershepherds how to do their jobs.
As I am sure most know JCM was plaqued with homosexuality problems, and their were alot who slid down the slippery slope and now are very far from any resemblence to being Apostolic Pentecostals. I see some seem to support these kinds of things but would like some clarification.
You have a logical fallacy, actually and ironically called "The Slippery Slope" fallacy.
Your fallacy goes "Because JCM was plagued with Homosexuality many (here on this forum) have backslidden and don't look to my eyes like Apostolic Pentecostals".
1) prove JCM was plagued with homosexual problems. Plagued is a subjective word. Was there any there that had homosexual issues they dealt with? Probably so, but that does not make JCM plagued.
2) since all across your group people have left and yet never attended JCM, we can conclude it has nothing to do with JCM or Homosexuality
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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DOH!
I knew that dot would immediately be connected. Interestingly, my mom identified him immediately. Dorm rooms were shared and I can honestly say, he gave every indication he wasn't gay, including making fun of gays in a way I would never have. Well, I wouldn't at all. 
. Regardless - it is up to the individual to "work out their own salvation with fear and trembling."
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