24 Hrs.Days Or Not ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

In the bible we read that God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh day.

Were these days 24 hour days or just a literary frame on which the creation account is draped ?
Were these 24 hour days or periods of unspecified amounts of time ?

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

In the bible we read that God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh day.

Were these days 24 hour days or just a literary frame on which the creation account is draped ?
Were these 24 hour days or periods of unspecified amounts of time ?

I've heard it taught both ways. I have a problem with the unspecified period of time belief because of the following:


Gen 1:1-13

1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
KJV

This particular distinction of light and darkness transitioning the time periods makes me believe the 24 hour doctrine.

[Scott Hutchinson]

How did God calculate time ? What is the way The Hebraic people reckoned time ?

[EVAunit01]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

How did God calculate time ?

Good question. We know that God's ways are not our ways and God's time is not our time.

The problem with believing that the days talked about in Genesis 1 are literal 24 hour days is that there is so much scientific evidence to the contrary.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by EVAunit01

Good question. We know that God's ways are not our ways and God's time is not our time.

The problem with believing that the days talked about in Genesis 1 are literal 24 hour days is that there is so much scientific evidence to the contrary.

What scientific evidence?? Carbon dating...which has proven to be totally inaccurate....

I would agree with God's ways are not our ways and His time is not our time, but we didn't set up the 24 hour day. That's not "our" time, it is God's time that He placed us in. So that doesn't seem like an argument that can hold any weight.

I am then brought back to other thoughts:

1. According to the Genesis 1 account of creation it says that God said and then saw...what makes us think that there are great time periods between those two events? If we take Jesus' ministry He too said and saw and in most every event it was immediately or within the same hour.

2. According to Rom 5:12 death entered the world through Adam's sin. If Paul was truly writing by unction of the Holy Spirit, then there would have been no death prior to that. According to science their was a lot of death...in fact most put the Dinosaurs pre-adam which would make Rom 5:12 wrong.

3. What would give us any idea that the time period that God used was different than the time period that God set up? We can use the scripture that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day, but it does not say it in a definitive way. The scripture says "as a" in other words, God doesn't operate by a clock as we know it, but that being said doesn't deny the fact that there are 24 hours in a day it's just that God's perspective is beyond the time limitations we know.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

What scientific evidence?? Carbon dating...which has proven to be totally inaccurate....

I would agree with God's ways are not our ways and His time is not our time, but we didn't set up the 24 hour day. That's not "our" time, it is God's time that He placed us in. So that doesn't seem like an argument that can hold any weight.

I am then brought back to other thoughts:

1. According to the Genesis 1 account of creation it says that God said and then saw...what makes us think that there are great time periods between those two events? If we take Jesus' ministry He too said and saw and in most every event it was immediately or within the same hour.

2. According to Rom 5:12 death entered the world through Adam's sin. If Paul was truly writing by unction of the Holy Spirit, then there would have been no death prior to that. According to science their was a lot of death...in fact most put the Dinosaurs pre-adam which would make Rom 5:12 wrong.

3. What would give us any idea that the time period that God used was different than the time period that God set up? We can use the scripture that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day, but it does not say it in a definitive way. The scripture says "as a" in other words, God doesn't operate by a clock as we know it, but that being said doesn't deny the fact that there are 24 hours in a day it's just that God's perspective is beyond the time limitations we know.

Distance measurements.... Levels of Helium 3 isotope in our own Sun (which makes it a 2nd generation star).... And yes, several types of radiometric dating (NOT carbon dating since that is only accurate to about 50 thousand years and then in only specific instances). And this isn't eve taking into account dating that our own Earth provides using tectonics, geological and magnetic field fluctuations. For instance there are several large mass-extinction craters from asteroid impacts. When could these have taken place in a 6-7 thousand year period?

Simply put, ALL the evidence has to be twisted and crammed into a Young Earth/Young Universe model to make it "sorta" work -if standing on your head, looking in a mirror, while suffering from the flu.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Distance measurements.... Levels of Helium 3 isotope in our own Sun (which makes it a 2nd generation star).... And yes, several types of radiometric dating (NOT carbon dating since that is only accurate to about 50 thousand years and then in only specific instances). And this isn't eve taking into account dating that our own Earth provides using tectonics, geological and magnetic field fluctuations. For instance there are several large mass-extinction craters from asteroid impacts. When could these have taken place in a 6-7 thousand year period?

Simply put, ALL the evidence has to be twisted and crammed into a Young Earth/Young Universe model to make it "sorta" work -if standing on your head, looking in a mirror, while suffering from the flu.

Soooo, if I understand you correctly you subscribe to the 24 hour / young earth model, right?

[mfblume]

24 hour days. My view.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

24 hour days. My view.

Do you think God created things that look way older than they are? (See Randy's post.)

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Do you think God created things that look way older than they are? (See Randy's post.)

I do...but not necessarily "look way older" but created mature things. Example a tree. I don't think He created the earth with a bunch of seedlings laying around, I believe that He created adult trees.

while it is very obvious that Randy is well versed and understands scientific stuff I personally don't have confidence in their techniques, nor do I have confidence in their motives. Most scientists are atheists an have an agenda they are pursuing.