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04-29-2009, 11:36 PM
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The Second Coming of Christ
Jason and AFP1996 have agreed to debate this topic. I have given them access and we will discuss how to proceed. Remember, while you have access to this forum you are only allowed to post in this thread, not in any of the others.
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04-29-2009, 11:50 PM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
(This is a test post-Prax asked each of to post so that we could make sure the debate was set up correctly. He suggested we give our affirmations. So the below is my understanding of the crux of the debate-it is not an opening statement. Bro. AFP1996 should also be posting soon.)
The debate in question will feature two viewpoints on the commonly referred to
"Second Coming" of Jesus Christ.
I will affirm the futurist posistion that there remains a future/visible/physical coming of Jesus Christ to this earth. While AFP1996 denies such-he will be making the full preterist case.
AFP1996 affirms that the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ happened in the year AD70 and that it was spiritual/invisible. I deny.
The central issue of the debate is the second coming of Jesus Christ, secondary issues that may be touched on are the rapture/ressurection and Millenial reign/final judgement, since all of these things center around the coming of Christ.
*disclaimer* From my point of view I do not deny that the judgment of Jerusalem in AD70 was not God's doing-in fact Jesus told them plainly their house would be left to them desolate. I do deny that 70AD has anything to do with the "Second Coming"and judgment that is yet to come on this world.
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04-30-2009, 04:17 AM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
Test post...
As Jason said, this is a debate on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. I affirm that the Coming of Jesus Christ was in fact the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem and her Temple as Jesus foretold. Brother Jason denies this affirmation. He will affirm that the Second Coming is yet future and must be visible as to his Body in physical form.
Also, to be discussed, is the rapture and resurrection as they are part and parcel with the Second Coming of Christ.
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04-30-2009, 08:55 AM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
Is it agreed that the posts can be up to 700 words. Does Bible verses and quotes count in the 700?
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04-30-2009, 08:33 PM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
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Originally Posted by afp1996
Is it agreed that the posts can be up to 700 words. Does Bible verses and quotes count in the 700?
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Correct Bible verses and quotes and also abbreviations-such as ( Gen 1:1) do not count against the word count.
However, pre-written materials do count against the word count. If it is a lengthy article, you can post a link. Agreed? If so, I'm ready to start when you are. I can open or you, whoever opens, the other gets the final post.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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05-01-2009, 03:42 AM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
I would suggest scriptures DO count and the reason for that is if they do not count you can post a dozen scriptures and insist the other person respond to each one...and of course due to the word count they can't.
What makes better sense is to limit the scriptures to the most important ones, reference scriptures but not post the entire scripture,
That or not expect the other to address every verse but be specific about a verse you want them to address
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-01-2009, 03:44 AM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
But quoting the other person does not count.
Remember you don't need to cover everything in one post.
A good way to proceed is one person takes the pro side...he argues His position and the other argues against. Then at the end we reverse that
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-01-2009, 04:54 AM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
That works for me. I don't have prewritten material. So that will not effect me. I can reference the scripture and only quote the important ones. I will go first and allow Brother Jason to have the last word. If that is okay with him. I will began my preparing my opening statements.
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05-01-2009, 08:30 PM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
But quoting the other person does not count.
Remember you don't need to cover everything in one post.
A good way to proceed is one person takes the pro side...he argues His position and the other argues against. Then at the end we reverse that
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ok
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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05-01-2009, 08:29 PM
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I would suggest scriptures DO count and the reason for that is if they do not count you can post a dozen scriptures and insist the other person respond to each one...and of course due to the word count they can't.
What makes better sense is to limit the scriptures to the most important ones, reference scriptures but not post the entire scripture,
That or not expect the other to address every verse but be specific about a verse you want them to address
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okay this is fine with me
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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