I refuse to remove the landmarks

bhoutreach · #1 03-03-2009, 09:22 PM

Prov 22:28
28 Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.

I find it interesting that many after being blessed by finding the Truth, begin to seek ways to change what they have received.

Men and women before us understood the strength in Holiness, both inside and out. They were wise enough to know that the NEW BIRTH experience was just the beginning. Men were to dress like men and women like women. Because this was right in the eyes to the LORD. And still is. Men and women were to dress modestly and still should. Uncut hair on a women was her covering and showed her submission to her head and long hair on a man was a shame and still is.

Just because culture changes it's view does not mean the church should or that GOD has.

I am progressive in the sense that I believe we should change our methods for reaching the world in need. I am an old time preacher in the sense that I do not believe we should ever change our MESSAGE, any of it.

Sherri · #2 03-03-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

Prov 22:28
28 Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.

I find it interesting that many after being blessed by finding the Truth, begin to seek ways to change what they have received.

Men and women before us understood the strength in Holiness, both inside and out. They were wise enough to know that the NEW BIRTH experience was just the beginning. Men were to dress like men and women like women. Because this was right in the eyes to the LORD. And still is. Men and women were to dress modestly and still should. Uncut hair on a women was her covering and showed her submission to her head and long hair on a man was a shame and still is.

Just because culture changes it's view does not mean the church should or that GOD has.

I am progressive in the sense that I believe we should change our methods for reaching the world in need. I am an old time preacher in the sense that I do not believe we should ever change our MESSAGE, any of it.

I don't believe this stuff is "our message".

bhoutreach · #3 03-03-2009, 09:28 PM

What is your message then?

Sherri · #4 03-03-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

What is your message then?

The gospel - the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ. The GOOD NEWS!

Sam · #5 03-03-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

The gospel - the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ. The GOOD NEWS!

Yes, that is our message.
We could not save ourselves so Jesus came to save us by dying on the cross, being buried, and rising from the dead 3 days later.

Jesus is the TRUTH (John 14:6) and the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of TRUTH or Spirit of Jesus (John 14:17) , not some method, series of steps, or body of doctrine.

Neck · #6 03-03-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

The gospel - the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ. The GOOD NEWS!

Amen!

Neck · #7 03-03-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

What is your message then?

Paul said, I want to know Jesus Christ and him crucified.

The problem has been many churches took to crucifying good folks.

deltaguitar · #8 03-03-2009, 09:29 PM

Well, . . . I don't know all of your beliefs but the damage I have seen caused by the heritage that I assume you claim keeps me thanking God everyday that he allowed me to escape.

The ancient landmarks that I think you claim aren't really that ancient at all.

Sam · #9 03-03-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

Prov 22:28
28 Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.

I find it interesting that many after being blessed by finding the Truth, begin to seek ways to change what they have received.

Men and women before us understood the strength in Holiness, both inside and out. They were wise enough to know that the NEW BIRTH experience was just the beginning. Men were to dress like men and women like women. Because this was right in the eyes to the LORD. And still is. Men and women were to dress modestly and still should. Uncut hair on a women was her covering and showed her submission to her head and long hair on a man was a shame and still is.

Just because culture changes it's view does not mean the church should or that GOD has.

I am progressive in the sense that I believe we should change our methods for reaching the world in need. I am an old time preacher in the sense that I do not believe we should ever change our MESSAGE, any of it.

How far back in time do you go to take a snapshot and call that the "old landmarks"?

Is the use of electricity too modern? What about automobiles?

Do you want to go back to some of the early Apostolic/Pentecostal standards where it was wrong to wear gold rimmed glasses, wear a wrist watch, eat pork, drink cola and/or caffeine beverages, play softball or golf or checkers, wear anything red, have any type of life insurance, read any fictional literature, listen to a radio, visit a doctor or hospital, take any kind of medication whether prescribed or over the counter --even including aspirin or cough medicine, work on Sunday, etc? Or would you progress beyond that and drive in a stake in time in the mid nineteen forties and require men to have flat top haircuts and pencil thin mustaches, and require women to wear either cotton hose or nylon hose if it has seams, not allow women to use pink or pearl nail polish, require women to wear hats and gloves to church, etc.

These "old landmarks" change every couple of years.

bhoutreach · #10 03-03-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

How far back in time do you go to take a snapshot and call that the "old landmarks"?

Is the use of electricity too modern? What about automobiles?

Do you want to go back to some of the early Apostolic/Pentecostal standards where it was wrong to wear gold rimmed glasses, wear a wrist watch, eat pork, drink cola and/or caffeine beverages, play softball or golf or checkers, wear anything red, have any type of life insurance, read any fictional literature, listen to a radio, visit a doctor or hospital, take any kind of medication whether prescribed or over the counter --even including aspirin or cough medicine, work on Sunday, etc? Or would you progress beyond that and drive in a stake in time in the mid nineteen forties and require men to have flat top haircuts and pencil thin mustaches, and require women to wear either cotton hose or nylon hose if it has seams, not allow women to use pink or pearl nail polish, require women to wear hats and gloves to church, etc.

These "old landmarks" change every couple of years.

I believe that i made my position clear. We should not blend into the world and say we are trying to be relevant. We should be Biblical in our stance. We should be modest. We can do all of this and win the world. What I have noticed is that most of the time when people have problems with what keeps us Biblical and distinct it is because they do not like submission. I do understand that anything can be taken to extremes. However if I am going to be extreme I do not want to be so exteme that I blend in to the world.