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01-10-2009, 08:15 PM
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Israel is rolling!
How many have been watching Israel rolling into Gaza? What do you think about it?
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01-10-2009, 08:31 PM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
In the interest of democracy and freedom in the middle East I tend to be in favor.
My support would not be because I believe they are "God's chosen people" - because I tend to think Christ died equally for the sins of all mankind.
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01-10-2009, 08:34 PM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
In the interest of democracy and freedom in the middle East I tend to be in favor.
My support would not be because I believe they are "God's chosen people" - because I tend to think Christ died equally for the sins of all mankind.
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Makes you wonder if they are trying to level Gaza before Obama takes office. I will tell you one thing, Israel does not waste to much time. This ought to be interesting.
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01-10-2009, 08:37 PM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
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Makes you wonder if they are trying to level Gaza before Obama takes office. I will tell you one thing, Israel does not waste to much time. This ought to be interesting.
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They are hitting what they know to be weapons and terrorist strongholds to diminish the strength of the Hamas for the next eight years.
I seriously doubt this would be happening - at least to this degree, if McCain/Palin were about to take office.
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01-10-2009, 08:47 PM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
They are hitting what they know to be weapons and terrorist strongholds to diminish the strength of the Hamas for the next eight years.
I seriously doubt this would be happening - at least to this degree, if McCain/Palin were about to take office.
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I agree fully with you on the time frame. I think they are going to takeas much ground as they can before the 20th in order to be in a place of strength for the negotiating that will follow. We'll see.
I know one thing, Gaza is definently NOT where I would want to be vacationing right now! I cannot even imagine a war zone like that. It must be bad.
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01-11-2009, 07:37 PM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
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Originally Posted by TJJJ
Makes you wonder if they are trying to level Gaza before Obama takes office. I will tell you one thing, Israel does not waste to much time. This ought to be interesting.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
They are hitting what they know to be weapons and terrorist strongholds to diminish the strength of the Hamas for the next eight years.
I seriously doubt this would be happening - at least to this degree, if McCain/Palin were about to take office.
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I dunno. The very first thing Obama did after winning the election was to name Rahm Emmanuel as chief of staff. RE is the guy who serves as a volunteer in the Israeli Defense Forces when he's not chopping up politicos here in the States. Any qualms I had about Obama and Israel were lifted when RE was announced. Not that I like the guy - but I respect him and trust him as far as US policy toward Israel is concerned.
That being said, Israel's relationship with Repubs is often a bit more complex. The Bush family has been personal friends with the Saudi royal family for generations - and the al Sauds have always been bitter toward Israel.
And Israel isn't the genius at making the best use of time- from a military perspective. They pussyfooted around the Hezbollah issue and paid for it. They are subject to intense international pressures to sit idly by and get shot at. And even their domestic situation isn't really helpful.
They've got the Haaretz-style liberal Zionists who no longer dream of a promised land and just want to be liked by their friends in the Paris coffee shops. The've got even more radical Leftist groups like "PeaceNow" who openly provide aid for terrorists.
On the other hand they've got the ultra-orthodox who demand, and get exemption from military service so that they can stay home, live off a govt subsidy reading Torah scrolls and making more little ultra-orthodox babies who will refuse military service when they are of age. Most of these groups don't even believe that the State of Israel has a right to exist.
Somehow, Israel has to walk through this domestic minefield before they can even get out to face the terrorists. They have a real identity crisis going on that plays to their enemies. The good people there need our support and encouragement.
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01-12-2009, 02:27 AM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
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Originally Posted by pelathais
I dunno. The very first thing Obama did after winning the election was to name Rahm Emmanuel as chief of staff. RE is the guy who serves as a volunteer in the Israeli Defense Forces when he's not chopping up politicos here in the States. Any qualms I had about Obama and Israel were lifted when RE was announced. Not that I like the guy - but I respect him and trust him as far as US policy toward Israel is concerned.
That being said, Israel's relationship with Repubs is often a bit more complex. The Bush family has been personal friends with the Saudi royal family for generations - and the al Sauds have always been bitter toward Israel.
And Israel isn't the genius at making the best use of time- from a military perspective. They pussyfooted around the Hezbollah issue and paid for it. They are subject to intense international pressures to sit idly by and get shot at. And even their domestic situation isn't really helpful.
They've got the Haaretz-style liberal Zionists who no longer dream of a promised land and just want to be liked by their friends in the Paris coffee shops. The've got even more radical Leftist groups like "PeaceNow" who openly provide aid for terrorists.
On the other hand they've got the ultra-orthodox who demand, and get exemption from military service so that they can stay home, live off a govt subsidy reading Torah scrolls and making more little ultra-orthodox babies who will refuse military service when they are of age. Most of these groups don't even believe that the State of Israel has a right to exist.
Somehow, Israel has to walk through this domestic minefield before they can even get out to face the terrorists. They have a real identity crisis going on that plays to their enemies. The good people there need our support and encouragement.
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01-12-2009, 09:26 AM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
In the interest of democracy and freedom in the middle East I tend to be in favor.
My support would not be because I believe they are "God's chosen people" - because I tend to think Christ died equally for the sins of all mankind.
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So you feel that Israel rolling into Gaza is going to further the cause of democracy & freedom in the middle east?
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01-10-2009, 11:46 PM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
You know I have sympathy for the innocent. In these cases it can, in my opinion, only be children. The adults know what is going on. They know who the trouble makers are and they don't seem to care about the fact that they are being used by them. They are using the families and places where families and children are as cover for their hate filled attacks. Then when these places are bombed in return they then make a scene and the rest of their religious world then stands up against the ones who are striking back. I get so tired of hearing the world and liberal left run their mouths against Israel because they strike back. If it were Israel losing 30 and 40 civilian lives there would be NO complaints from the rest of the world.
Lord Jesus come quickly. I am so tired of this crazy world and everything being backwards and upside down.
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01-11-2009, 12:03 AM
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Re: Israel is rolling!
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Originally Posted by jaxfam6
You know I have sympathy for the innocent. In these cases it can, in my opinion, only be children. The adults know what is going on. They know who the trouble makers are and they don't seem to care about the fact that they are being used by them. They are using the families and places where families and children are as cover for their hate filled attacks. Then when these places are bombed in return they then make a scene and the rest of their religious world then stands up against the ones who are striking back. I get so tired of hearing the world and liberal left run their mouths against Israel because they strike back. If it were Israel losing 30 and 40 civilian lives there would be NO complaints from the rest of the world.
Lord Jesus come quickly. I am so tired of this crazy world and everything being backwards and upside down.
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I totally agree.
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