Proof Of Soul Sleep

[Michael The Disciple]

How about this:

2: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2-3

Jesus said before we will be with him where he is he will have to come again and receive us to himself. I take this to mean at his second coming.

Instant Heaven doctrine says as soon as you die you are with him where he is.

Who should we believe?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

How about this:

2: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2-3

Jesus said before we will be with him where he is he will have to come again and receive us to himself. I take this to mean at his second coming.

Instant Heaven doctrine says as soon as you die you are with him where he is.

Who should we believe?

AT Jesus' second coming are we supposed to meet him in heaven? I thought we were to meet him in the air and then sometime later the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven and forever we will be with the Lord

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

AT Jesus' second coming are we supposed to meet him in heaven? I thought we were to meet him in the air and then sometime later the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven and forever we will be with the Lord

This is how I understand the chronology:
rapture (meet Him in the air, to be forever with Him), 2nd coming (back to earth),beast and false prophet cast into lake of fire,satan bound 1000years (in bottomless pit), millenial reign(Jesus and saints rule over remnant on earth) satan released, final rebellion of satan(on earth),satan defeated and cast into lake of fire, white throne judgement,heaven and earth pass away, new heaven and new earth, new Jerusalem( out of new heaven onto new earth) where we are forever with the Lord.

As for the dead in Christ I'm not too clear on that, I think that their souls are in heaven and thier dead bodies are transformed and meet thier souls in the air at the rapture.


ARPH

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

This is how I understand the chronology:
rapture (meet Him in the air, to be forever with Him), 2nd coming (back to earth),beast and false prophet cast into lake of fire,satan bound 1000years (in bottomless pit), millenial reign(Jesus and saints rule over remnant on earth) satan released, final rebellion of satan(on earth),satan defeated and cast into lake of fire, white throne judgement,heaven and earth pass away, new heaven and new earth, new Jerusalem( out of new heaven onto new earth) where we are forever with the Lord.

As for the dead in Christ I'm not too clear on that, I think that their souls are in heaven and thier dead bodies are transformed and meet thier souls in the air at the rapture.


ARPH

Hi Arp,There is no rapture or second comming.He is only comming one time.Please give scripture for rapture and Jesus is comming two times.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

AT Jesus' second coming are we supposed to meet him in heaven? I thought we were to meet him in the air and then sometime later the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven and forever we will be with the Lord

At the resurrection our new body we will receive will be united with our spirit and soul that will come with Jesus.Our new bodies will meet in the air.This is the last or the 7th. trump.He will destroy this earth as we know it and creat a new and the Holy City he is preparing will then land on the new earth.

Our bodies sleep but our spirit and soul goes to God.

1 Thes.4:14: For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring WITH HIM.

This person was in paradise with Jesus when they died.Luke23:[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


Ecclesiates 12:7: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

2Pet.3
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation, chapter 21
1: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3: And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4: And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

How about this:

2: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2-3

Jesus said before we will be with him where he is he will have to come again and receive us to himself. I take this to mean at his second coming.

Instant Heaven doctrine says as soon as you die you are with him where he is.

Who should we believe?

The Father's house and mansions in this chapter has nothing to do with Heaven but rather Sonship.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Father's house and mansions in this chapter has nothing to do with Heaven but rather Sonship.

Wow. I am wonderfully amazed you see this! Praise God, bro!

It is not about the second coming. Jesus said what the Father's House was in the same discourse when He said the FATHER DWELT IN HIM.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Father's house and mansions in this chapter has nothing to do with Heaven but rather Sonship.

How do you figure that?

[Scott Hutchinson]

If human bodies decompose ,where do the souls of the departed sleep at ?
Are they just floating around somewhere awaiting judgement day ?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If human bodies decompose ,where do the souls of the departed sleep at ?
Are they just floating around somewhere awaiting judgement day ?

They're dead.