This question came up in Church last Sunday. The Bible says Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are and didn't sin. The question was, could Jesus have sinned (and then would have had to repent) or did the infilled Spirit of God that was in him make it impossible for him to sin?
OH here we go! HEY PP, you said you wanted a fight!.... here is one that will sure to get people going....!
This is where people will divide....because they say the "divine flesh" are lost, but if you don't believe in divine flesh then you believe that Jesus could sin...
Many have split hairs over this and many have disfellowshipped eachother because of something that never even happened! Jesus Christ did not sin, so why bother with it?
I'm not throwing at you, Mosby48..... please don't think I am.... It's just I have personally seen friends divided, preachers against eachother over this very topic....
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I will try to give you my short answer. Buried in it somewhere is what I see as our hope.
Jesus received half his DNA from his mother (Humanity) that is where we gain our kinship to him and he to us.
By virtue of his humanity, he was fully capable of everything we are including sin.
But then there is the other half. Jesus the man received half his DNA from his Father who is God Almighty.
Anything that God does is perfect. Stamped over Jesus humanity is the touch of the divine.
By virtue of his father, Jesus was able to overcome Sin. When we become Sons and Daughters of God, we are given by grace, thru faith, what Jesus was given by birth!
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I will try to give you my short answer. Buried in it somewhere is what I see as our hope.
Jesus received half his DNA from his mother (Humanity) that is where we gain our kinship to him and he to us.
By virtue of his humanity, he was fully capable of everything we are including sin.
But then there is the other half. Jesus the man received half his DNA from his Father who is God Almighty.
Anything that God does is perfect. Stamped over Jesus humanity is the touch of the divine.
By virtue of his father, Jesus was able to overcome Sin. When we become Sons and Daughters of God, we are given by grace, thru faith, what Jesus was given by birth!
nice post ferd man, dt
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I will try to give you my short answer. Buried in it somewhere is what I see as our hope.
Jesus received half his DNA from his mother (Humanity) that is where we gain our kinship to him and he to us.
By virtue of his humanity, he was fully capable of everything we are including sin.
But then there is the other half. Jesus the man received half his DNA from his Father who is God Almighty.
Anything that God does is perfect. Stamped over Jesus humanity is the touch of the divine.
By virtue of his father, Jesus was able to overcome Sin. When we become Sons and Daughters of God, we are given by grace, thru faith, what Jesus was given by birth!
Sounds good to me. I feel that He could have sinned if He wanted, but He did not because of the God factor.
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Let's take this one step further then. Having established that Jesus had the 'capability' to sin, that is, it was not utterly biologically or constitutionally impossible for Him to sin (it was however morally impossible for him to sin, much as it is morally impossible for me to sell my kids to strangers - not physically impossible, but impossible because my will is set and not going to be changed)... having established that Jesus did not sin because He voluntarily submitted to the Father's will in all things, we must conclude it is possible for us too - to walk as He walked, to voluntarily submit our wills to God's in all things.
Christ shows us the way, and shows us what a man looks like walking in the perfect will of God. We can too, if we will but follow Him in faith.
Let's take this one step further then. Having established that Jesus had the 'capability' to sin, that is, it was not utterly biologically or constitutionally impossible for Him to sin (it was however morally impossible for him to sin, much as it is morally impossible for me to sell my kids to strangers - not physically impossible, but impossible because my will is set and not going to be changed)... having established that Jesus did not sin because He voluntarily submitted to the Father's will in all things, we must conclude it is possible for us too - to walk as He walked, to voluntarily submit our wills to God's in all things.
Christ shows us the way, and shows us what a man looks like walking in the perfect will of God. We can too, if we will but follow Him in faith.
But did Christ have the same sin nature that we have. While he could have chosen to sin he didn't.
Was it easier for Christ not to sin than it is for us not to sin?
I mean WE are not the son of God. Jesus was. I don't see how in the world we could walk a perfect life that Christ walked even if we totally submit our will to the Holy Spirit. We still have this flesh to deal with. That is why Christ came and died on the cross. Because we couldn't follow the righteous law and a blood sacrifice had to be made.
But did Christ have the same sin nature that we have. While he could have chosen to sin he didn't.
Was it easier for Christ not to sin than it is for us not to sin?
I mean WE are not the son of God. Jesus was. I don't see how in the world we could walk a perfect life that Christ walked even if we totally submit our will to the Holy Spirit. We still have this flesh to deal with. That is why Christ came and died on the cross. Because we couldn't follow the righteous law and a blood sacrifice had to be made.
First of all, who said we have a 'sin nature'? Not the Bible, that's for sure. Calvin? Yes, he said that. And so did Augustine. But I don't remember reading that in the Bible.
'We are not the son of God'. However the Scripture says we have been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ. And again, that those who profess to know Him ought to walk as He himself walked.
You say we cannot walk a perfect life 'even if we totally submit our will to the Holy Spirit. But I ask - is that not the very definition of walking a perfect life as He walked?
You say 'we still have to deal with the flesh.' Did not Jesus 'deal with the flesh?' Did He not say 'the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak?' Did He not say 'nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will'?
Jesus did not come and die on a cross because 'we could not keep the righteous law'. He came because we FAILED TO KEEP THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW. And then Paul says 'the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.'
First of all, who said we have a 'sin nature'? Not the Bible, that's for sure. Calvin? Yes, he said that. And so did Augustine. But I don't remember reading that in the Bible.
Romans 5:19 (King James Version)
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Colossians 2:13 (King James Version)
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Everything reproduces after its own kind, remember?
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'We are not the son of God'. However the Scripture says we have been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ. And again, that those who profess to know Him ought to walk as He himself walked.
John 1:
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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You say 'we still have to deal with the flesh.' Did not Jesus 'deal with the flesh?' Did He not say 'the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak?' Did He not say 'nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will'?
Jesus was the second Adam. He was not born after Adam's sinful nature. He had the capacity to sin as the first Adam, but chose not to sin. All mankind after Adam is born in sin and shapen in iniquity.
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Jesus did not come and die on a cross because 'we could not keep the righteous law'. He came because we FAILED TO KEEP THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW. And then Paul says 'the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.'
This statement is true in part, we did not keep the righteousness of the law, however you overlook one fact, man was unable to.
I'm just curious? Do you believe in sinless flesh? Are you stating man can by his own will ascend to holiness and righteousness? Are you saying that we can "choose" not to sin? Have you read Romans 7?
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