Dan'D, How Do You Know the WWPF Was In the Works?

Nahum · #1 02-08-2008, 08:29 AM

Posted by Dan'D:

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Did we not see this coming. In the last few years you have seen more UPC churches go Independent because of standards.

The church I was raised in was UPC but the pastor was prepared in case he felt the UPC was going the wrong direction they would pull out.

No one can deny that UPC as a general has been going more and more liberal. Regardless of your personal feeling there are a lot of pastor and ministers that feel over the years the UPC left them. A lot of things are being allowed in some churches that no one would ever believe 10 – 15 years ago.

For most, being an independent church has so many problems not being in an organization. There people has no connection between other churches for large meetings, Camp Meeting, Youth Camp and general fellowship etc.

Did the Tulsa group have the right way to pull out and start another organization / Fellowship. No mater how they would go about it, they would had been criticized. It took a number of men who people highly respected to start the new fellowship. Not just respected in there own area but thru out UPC. They knew that there would be people calling them names and criticized them for what they did. Yet they did it anyway. I can not answer for all the men but the ones I know did not do it personal reasons.

This has been in the planning stages for a very some time and weather or not, NW won an election in California would not have any effect on the decision on starting the WPF.
Since they disagree with the direction UPC is going at what point do they say enough is enough. Which was where the Resolution on TV comes in. An then have enough support of pastors and ministers to do something of this magnitude.

The Tulsa 6 I’m sure was in contact with 100’s maybe 1000’s of pastor before they started WPF. If you feel they should not had contacted the other UPC ministers. Don’t we have freedom of speech within the ranks of UPC if you feel something is wrong.

Remember since this group of pastors are so well know I’m sure most if not all of the contacted pastors and minister were on first name basics.

Bro Haney does not answer to God for me, My pastor will have to. Bro. Haney was voted in to run an organization not run the church I attend. If my pastor did not do what he felt God was directing him to do, he would be derelict of his calling and again he would answer to God for that.

Whether you agree or disagree

I believe the so called Tulsa 6 felt God was directing them this way for some time. Who are we to tell them God was not directing them.

Questions:

1> Did the Tulsa 6 have a right to start WPF ?
2> How should they had done it?

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Nahum · #2 02-08-2008, 08:31 AM

Very interesting Dan.

What proof do you have that the WWPF has been planned for a long time?

And, just how long is a long time?

When did they start planning it?

Barb · #3 02-08-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Very interesting Dan.

What proof do you have that thw WWPF has been planned for a long time?

And, just how long is a long time?

When did they start planning it?

PP, I can only speak from my realm of experience.

In the 33 years I have known Bishop W, he has talked of pulling out of the UPCI.

So, as far as the new org as we know it being planned...officials, agenda, location, etc., I do not know.

But I know the idea for separation has been a long standing one.

Nahum · #4 02-08-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Barb

PP, I can only speak from my realm of experience.

In the 33 years I have known Bishop W, he has talked of pulling out of the UPCI.

So, as far as the new org as we know it being planned...officials, agenda, location, etc., I do not know.

But I know the idea for separation has been a long standing one.

Yeah, I had heard that. I was just curious as to the context of Dan'D's remarks.

Barb · #5 02-08-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Yeah, I had heard that. I was just curious as to the context of Dan'D's remarks.

I know...I am curious, too.

Kutless · #6 02-08-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Yeah, I had heard that. I was just curious as to the context of Dan'D's remarks.

curiosity killed the ****insert appropriate rank here****

StillStanding · #7 02-08-2008, 09:06 AM

Why would a pastor that has been talking about leaving the UPC for years, run for the office of District Superintendant???

Nahum · #8 02-08-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kutless

curiosity killed the ****insert appropriate rank here****

It appears good ole Brother dan'D has no intention of answering the questions.

Oh well.

Nahum · #9 02-08-2008, 08:37 AM

Dan'D, I have been told by several prominent members of this board that the WWPF was not even thought of until after general conference.

Are you saying that it was in the works before then?

grace_seeker · #10 02-08-2008, 09:43 AM

I am curious how many members NW lost from his church when he quit the UPC. I have heard about some leaving his church and going back to Stockton.....anybody know about this? Also, if this was in the planning stages for such a long time, why hadn't those members that left, left a long time ago?