2008 BOTT - Anthony Mangun Message

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Nahum · #4 01-13-2008, 06:44 PM

I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.

We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

Esther · #5 01-13-2008, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.

We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

I agree with a lot you have said here.

CC1 · #6 01-13-2008, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.

We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

Excellent post. Especially the sentence "We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness and talent for anointing".

Raven · #7 01-14-2008, 06:55 AM

You're exactly right here, Pastor Poster.
Raven

StMark · #8 01-14-2008, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.
We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

All traditions are not bad. Tradition has been the glue that has held the Jewish community together while being scattered across the world with no homeland.

Apostle Paul said he kept some traditions.He even visited the temples.

There are good traditions that need to pass down to the next generation.

The word "religion" is derived from the word "discipline" which is not necessarily a bad thing.

On the other hand, tradition and religion, as good as they are and can be can also become wicked and evil things on earth when coupled with spiritual pride and blindedness.

Traditions are not salvation.I think this is part of where we oft go wrong.
They are good, but they are for the betterment of a community.They are not equal to Acts 238

jrLA · #9 01-14-2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StMark

All traditions are not bad. Tradition has been the glue that has held the Jewish community together while being scattered across the world with no homeland.

Apostle Paul said he kept some traditions.He even visited the temples.

There are good traditions that need to pass down to the next generation.

The word "religion" is derived from the word "discipline" which is not necessarily a bad thing.

On the other hand, tradition and religion, as good as they are and can be can also become wicked and evil things on earth when coupled with spiritual pride and blindedness.

Traditions are not salvation.I think this is part of where we oft go wrong.
They are good, but they are for the betterment of a community.They are not equal to Acts 238

Very impressed with your post Mark. Very well written!

TRFrance · #10 01-14-2008, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.

We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

Well said.

Unfortunately, some changes take more time than others. And getting rid of traditions that may be hindering the gospel might take an entire generation (or longer). In the end, I'm sure there will still be some man-made traditions in the church when Jesus comes. That seems unavoidable.

However, as the Tulsa episode is proving, sometimes when change is taking place, it's bound to cause splits and schisms. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there are more splits and breakaways ahead in our movement, as the next generation seeks to throw off some of the older, more cumbersome traditions, while still maintaining the core message.