RevD, the men I know and have known, thank God arent like this.... the UPCI i grew up with wasnt narrow and controlling. I still go to a UPCI church that is not narrow and controlling. IMOH there is more good than bad in the UPCI and I still believe it is the best organization that preaches the Truth. having said that, there is need to discuss the things that need change.
Amen. Why is that when we discuss needed change, we are told to be careful; yet when we are told we need to conform, caution is thrown to the wind. There is no regard given to the feelings of those who disagree with extra-biblical doctrines.
I highly suggest two messages by my pastor about the pressures to conform to tradition ... I know he may not be popular .... but they're solid messages .... IMHO
Amen. Why is that when we discuss needed change, we are told to be careful; yet when we are told we need to conform, caution is thrown to the wind. There is no regard given to the feelings of those who disagree with extra-biblical doctrines.
RevD, the men I know and have known, thank God arent like this.... the UPCI i grew up with wasnt narrow and controlling. I still go to a UPCI church that is not narrow and controlling. IMOH there is more good than bad in the UPCI and I still believe it is the best organization that preaches the Truth. having said that, there is need to discuss the things that need change.
I says lets discuss ideas all day long [well not all day long as i have a full time job ]. Just don't beat up on the UPCI. It's gotten us to where we are even if some have parted ways.
The UPC will not save us, that takes Jesus.
The UPC did not call me to minister, Jesus did.
But the UPC has been a good means of transport.
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I says lets discuss ideas all day long [well not all day long as i have a full time job ]. Just don't beat up on the UPCI. It's gotten us to where we are even if some have parted ways.
The UPC will not save us, that takes Jesus.
The UPC did not call me to minister, Jesus did.
But the UPC has been a good means of transport.
i dont even see this as a UPCI thing. my UPCI never has been this way. It is a group of men that seek to make the UPCI in their own image. that has to be stopped.
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Honesty? You complain and criticize and yet pretend by staying that you support the Org.
These 'legalists' have always been there.
Dave, your UPCI....the California UPCI. That isnt the UPCI I know. Honestly while Ive seen some way too conservitive folk (One girl didnt shave because it was a sin...yuck) that wasnt my church. It wasnt until I came to FCF that I began to see some of this other junk.
I want my version to be the dominant version.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
i dont even see this as a UPCI thing. my UPCI never has been this way. It is a group of men that seek to make the UPCI in their own image. that has to be stopped.
It's been codified ... Ferd ... too late in my opinion ... it would mean admitting they were wrong ... that will take more than resolutions.
Dave, your UPCI....the California UPCI. That isnt the UPCI I know. Honestly while Ive seen some way too conservitive folk (One girl didnt shave because it was a sin...yuck) that wasnt my church. It wasnt until I came to FCF that I began to see some of this other junk.
I want my version to be the dominant version.
I hate that juke just as much as you. But there comes a point that one has to accept the fact that if you cannot change or support it's time to move on.
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I hate that juke just as much as you. But there comes a point that one has to accept the fact that if you cannot change or support it's time to move on.
Dave ... it ain't that easy ... you know that ... especially when you factor family,ministry and the fear of the unknown.
]. Just don't beat up on the UPCI. It's gotten us to where we are even if some have parted ways. 
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