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Old 02-22-2007, 04:31 PM
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I am not likely to read that book....I respect men like Brothe Enzy. I do not agree with them.

on a side note, I need to write a book outlineing a doctrine where men only shave on Wednesdays and Saturday nights.
Yes, that seems to be the trend among many Apostolic men.
Brother Ensy is well-respected, but this is another example of a personal conviction that has morphed into twenty-first century Apostolic doctrine.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:33 PM
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Can you even begin to imagine? A book written to solidify the idea that having facial hair is sinful? And this while the bible plainly states they plucked the Saviour's beard. Not to mention the fact that history teaches us that it was the custom of true Apostolic men to have a beard. It was a badge of masculinity.
not to mention deau. says not to trim your BEARD..... we use Deau. to explain why women must wear dresses but we ignor it where it says dont trim your beard?

somebody splain that one to me.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:33 PM
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Can you even begin to imagine? A book written to solidify the idea that having facial hair is sinful? And this while the bible plainly states they plucked the Saviour's beard. Not to mention the fact that history teaches us that it was the custom of true Apostolic men to have a beard. It was a badge of masculinity.
I was raised with that teaching.

My husband, when we attended church where I met you, decided to grow a goatee. When the pastor said something to him about it, my husband stated that there was nothing wrong with having a beard and the Bible didn't speak against it. The pastor responded with, and I quote, "No, but you look like a trinitarian!"

I was stunned. Made me wonder if he thought Jesus and John the Baptist looked trinitarian as well.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:35 PM
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I was raised with that teaching.

My husband, when we attended church where I met you, decided to grow a goatee. When the pastor said something to him about it, my husband stated that there was nothing wrong with having a beard and the Bible didn't speak against it. The pastor responded with, and I quote, "No, but you look like a trinitarian!"

I was stunned. Made me wonder if he thought Jesus and John the Baptist looked trinitarian as well.
This is a silly unnecessary yoke. What if this is the one issue that keeps someone from the cross?
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:36 PM
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On the silliness beard and moustache standard ... the following folks would not be eligible "preachers": Jesus, Aaron, and most of OT men of God.

Why is our concept of Holiness ... a photocopy of a 20th century Western businessman??? No cultural contexts ... are being examined ....

* The Jews never appeared without.

2 Samuel 10:5 When they told it unto David, he sent to meet them, because the men were greatly ashamed: and the king said, Tarry at Jericho until your beards be grown, and then return.

* Worn even by the priests.

Psalms 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

* Laying hold of, a token of respect.
2 Samuel 20:9 And Joab said to Amasa, Art thou in health, my brother? And Joab took Amasa by the beard with the right hand to kiss him.

* Shaving of, a great offense.
2 Samuel 10:4 Wherefore Hanun took David's servants, and shaved off the one half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle, even to their buttocks, and sent them away.

2 Samuel 10:6-7 And when the children of Ammon saw that they stank before David, the children of Ammon sent and hired the Syrians of Bethrehob, and the Syrians of Zoba, twenty thousand footmen, and of king Maacah a thousand men, and of Ishtob twelve thousand men. And when David heard of it, he sent Joab, and all the host of the mighty men.

* Plucking of, a sign of scorn.
Isaiah 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
* Dribbling on, a sign of derangement.

1 Samuel 21:13 And he changed his behaviour before them, and feigned himself mad in their hands, and scrabbled on the doors of the gate, and let his spittle fall down upon his beard.

* IN AFFLICTION,
o Was neglected and untrimmed.

2 Samuel 19:24 And Mephibosheth the son of Saul came down to meet the king, and had neither dressed his feet, nor trimmed his beard, nor washed his clothes, from the day the king departed until the day he came again in peace.

o Was clipped.
Jeremiah 48:37 For every head shall be bald, and every beard clipped: upon all the hands shall be cuttings, and upon the loins sackcloth.

o Was shorn.
Jeremiah 41:5 That there came certain from Shechem, from Shiloh, and from Samaria, even fourscore men, having their beards shaven, and their clothes rent, and having cut themselves, with offerings and incense in their hand, to bring them to the house of the LORD.

o Sometimes plucked out.

Ezra 9:3 And when I heard this thing, I rent my garment and my mantle, and plucked off the hair of my head and of my beard, and sat down astonied.

* Corners of, not to be marred for the dead.

Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Leviticus 21:5 They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.

* Subject to leprosy.

Leviticus 13:29-30 If a man or woman have a plague upon the head or the beard; Then the priest shall see the plague: and, behold, if it be in sight deeper than the skin; and there be in it a yellow thin hair; then the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is a dry scall, even a leprosy upon the head or beard.

* Of the healed leper to be shaved.

Leviticus 14:9 But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.

* Shaving, illustrative of severe judgments.

Isaiah 7:20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.

Isaiah 15:2 He is gone up to Bajith, and to Dibon, the high places, to weep: Moab shall howl over Nebo, and over Medeba: on all their heads shall be baldness, and every beard cut off.

Ezekiel 5:1 And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a barber's razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard: then take thee balances to weigh, and divide the hair.
You clean shaven heathen you!!!!!
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:36 PM
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I was raised with that teaching.

My husband, when we attended church where I met you, decided to grow a goatee. When the pastor said something to him about it, my husband stated that there was nothing wrong with having a beard and the Bible didn't speak against it. The pastor responded with, and I quote, "No, but you look like a trinitarian!"

I was stunned. Made me wonder if he thought Jesus and John the Baptist looked trinitarian as well.
What's even more outrageous is that within the movement it is not policed equitably ... i.e. White pastors would be subject to a board investigation if they even had a little stubble while some Hispanic and Jamaican pastors are never questioned ....
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:37 PM
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since we are on the subject. we use the idea that rebels in the 60s wore beards and that is why we dont. this is the "culture" arguement.

but with respect to the "Hair" issue, when libs trot out the "culture" argument, the pat answer is "there is not culture argument"....
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Example 2.

Do you realize, in our movement, we actually have a tract titled "Why I Do Not Have a Television"?

Can you imagine standing on a street corner passing that one out? Or giving it to your neighbor, or the waitress at the restaurant? Of all the things you could say, this is the lasting impression you wish to leave? Unreal!
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:38 PM
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Example 2.

Do you realize, in our movement, we actually have a tract titled "Why I Do Not Have a Television"?

Can you imagine standing on a street corner passing that one out? Or giving it to your neighbor, or the waitress at the restaurant?
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Example 2.

Do you realize, in our movement, we actually have a tract titled "Why I Do Not Have a Television"?

Can you imagine standing on a street corner passing that one out? Or giving it to your neighbor, or the waitress at the restaurant?
It needs to be revised "Why I Do Not Have A Television but can watch YouTube"
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