The Spirit of Abortion

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Berk ... can you say ... ANOMALY ... ONCE EVERY 80 YEARS!!!!!!!! WHO'S YOUR DADDY???

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Brother Jones,

I apologize for offending you and anyone else. I am operating from a growing frustration at these sort of things. If you read the full body of my posts, you will see that I only spoke of ideas, and not people.

It is never my intent to harm anyone. That being said, if I would have been of a different philosophical viewpoint, I could have said something to the effect that "sports is killing our kids". And of course, that would have been perfectly acceptable to you and others.

By saying something like that, I would be saying that parents and pastors that allow such things are committing spiritual abortion. My brother, can you see the hypocrisy innvolved?

Why can one group say it, and be perfectly within logical bounds. Yet when I say it against another extreme, I am offensive and disrespectful. The irony is that this is the exact issue I alluded to in the original post.

I wanted to explain myself. I will leave it alone now, unless you need further clarification.

Bump for Brother Jones

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Brother Jones,

I never said the issue I was talking about is exclusive to the UPC. I never named names. I did mention specific ideas that are harmful. I did not bash anyone. On the contrary, I agreed with one poster who sounded the caution alarm.

If you believe there are certain liberal ideas that are harmful, and even spiritually deadly to the soul of a man, surely you can agree that too much legalism ends to the same sort of death.

Both are wrong. I am trying to find a happy median in life. MOW was partially right, I detest certain attitudes that are currently on display. Apparently, you detest mine. For that I truly apologize.

Bump for Brother Jones

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Berk ... can you say ... ANOMALY ... ONCE EVERY 80 YEARS!!!!!!!! WHO'S YOUR DADDY???

Mang, if you were here we'd have to scrap!!

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Brother Jones,

I never said the issue I was talking about is exclusive to the UPC. I never named names. I did mention specific ideas that are harmful. I did not bash anyone. On the contrary, I agreed with one poster who sounded the caution alarm.

If you believe there are certain liberal ideas that are harmful, and even spiritually deadly to the soul of a man, surely you can agree that too much legalism ends to the same sort of death.

Both are wrong. I am trying to find a happy median in life. MOW was partially right, I detest certain attitudes that are currently on display. Apparently, you detest mine. For that I truly apologize.

PP, just for the record here, from an Admin point of view, you have not crossed the line in anythng you have posted here in this thread or bashed anyone. Everyone here has a right to share their opinions and feelings.

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

Mang, if you were here we'd have to scrap!!

You're still a chump ....

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Brother Jones,

I apologize for offending you and anyone else. I am operating from a growing frustration at these sort of things. If you read the full body of my posts, you will see that I only spoke of ideas, and not people.

It is never my intent to harm anyone. That being said, if I would have been of a different philosophical viewpoint, I could have said something to the effect that "sports is killing our kids". And of course, that would have been perfectly acceptable to you and others.

By saying something like that, I would be saying that parents and pastors that allow such things are committing spiritual abortion. My brother, can you see the hypocrisy innvolved?

Why can one group say it, and be perfectly within logical bounds. Yet when I say it against another extreme, I am offensive and disrespectful. The irony is that this is the exact issue I alluded to in the original post.

I wanted to explain myself. I will leave it alone now, unless you need further clarification.

PP,

Apology accepted as offered!

You are mistaken, however, regarding the pass you would be given for making a foolish statement like "sports is killing our kids". That is preposterous and certainly not typical of most UPC pastors I know. If that has been typical of your experience, I am sorry!

As for the abortion issue, please revisit my posts and see that I deny that there is INTENT to kill in the hearts of these you are opposed to. They may occasionally have a miscarriage but they are NOT abortionists. Big difference in my book between an abortionist and a woman who has a miscarriage. Do you see my point and why I find it offensive.

While I am personally conservative, I do not use my personal stand as a basis for fellowship. I have dear friends in both camps (think Elder Epley and Old Paths and NLYP and Ronzo).

Either way, I pray that you settle your issues and come to a place of peace without destroying others in the process.

No hard feelings or offense here!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

PP, just for the record here, from an Admin point of view, you have not crossed the line in anythng you have posted here in this thread or bashed anyone. Everyone here has a right to share their opinions and feelings.

I appreciate that, but I am not worried about being reprimanded. I am more interested in the opinion of my forum friends. I would never intentionally hurt them. Sometimes I am too passionate, and it comes through the wrong way.

If I am not careful, I will exhibit the very thing I originally posted against.
That would be incredibly self-defeating.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by philjones

PP,

Apology accepted as offered!

You are mistaken, however, regarding the pass you would be given for making a foolish statement like "sports is killing our kids". That is preposterous and certainly not typical of most UPC pastors I know. If that has been typical of your experience, I am sorry!

As for the abortion issue, please revisit my posts and see that I deny that there is INTENT to kill in the hearts of these you are opposed to. They may occasionally have a miscarriage but they are NOT abortionists. Big difference in my book between an abortionist and a woman who has a miscarriage. Do you see my point and why I find it offensive.

While I am personally conservative, I do not use my personal stand as a basis for fellowship. I have dear friends in both camps (think Elder Epley and Old Paths and NLYP and Ronzo).

Either way, I pray that you settle your issues and come to a place of peace without destroying others in the process.

No hard feelings or offense here!

The pass you say would not have been given has been offered many times on different forums we are familiar with. I would have been better not to vent on AFF.

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The pass you say would not have been given has been offered many times on different forums we are familiar with. I would have been better not to vent on AFF.

I think it's healthy ... PP. Really.