Phil .. this is farthest from what I've heard at from NCO ... quite the opposite ... you can bury your head in the sand ... no problem ... I've been around the block too ... I've got plenty to base it on ... Don't cry ... dry your eye ... and see what some in the movement are feeling.
Dan,
I am aware of what many in the movement are feeling. Some of the feelings are justified; others are trumped up! Either way, the character assassinations and erroneous comparisons to abortionists and holocaust specialist is absurd! Abortion and leading folks into a gas chamber are intentional acts of evil men with seared consciences. I do not know of a single pastor in the UPC or otherwise that is guilty of that kind of charge!
if you think my head is in the sand then you need a wake up call cause you are dreaming! I just choose to use a little common sense and decorum in my characterizations of good and Godly men!
I too am in favor of this position! I don't see men as abortionists or guards of the Gulag just because we don't agree! That is why I am so opposed to the histrionics and mis-characterizations!
Phil here is the last thing i am going to say on any subject tonight. There are a group of men who are very much of the way far right conservitive persuasion...led in large part by some fellows out west.... that are as close to spiritual abortionists as they can be. THEY are the ones that have been actively attempting to hijack the UPCI. period. surely you recognize that fact.
I do not want the conservitives to go away. but 15 years later I am still upset about men like Elder Yadon getting kicked out.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
Loren Yadon was the assistant pastor of my home church. I think I can speak with some clairity on the subject.
as for what you beleive, this isnt our first round on the subject bro. Ron and I dont see eye to eye but we respect each other.... I would like for you and I to find that same middle ground. Go back to the other thread from this morning and read thru it with an unbiased eye and tell me that there was no cause for me to be taken aback by what you were saying... and look at the questions I asked that you didnt answer.
its time for bed. night night. until tomorrow my friend.
Ferd I didnt answer because I see them as rhetorical questions ... you know the answers from the other side already ... why rehash what you've discussed with others on this subject before????... probing me will serve no purpose but to justify why you think you're right and why you think the PCI view is wrong ... nuff said ... what you fail to see is a movement from the right ... to center the TRUTH on one scripture ... a graven image of sorts.... that was my point this morning ... nothing more ...nothing less ...
You don't see it happening because it's already be done.
So, Dan, which Abortionists and Hitlers do you suggest we put on trial. Why don't you name some names since it has already happened! You say some pretty bizarre things friend. I guess if I knew you better I might have a better understanding of which side of Jupiter you are coming from.
Phil here is the last thing i am going to say on any subject tonight. There are a group of men who are very much of the way far right conservitive persuasion...led in large part by some fellows out west.... that are as close to spiritual abortionists as they can be. THEY are the ones that have been actively attempting to hijack the UPCI. period. surely you recognize that fact.
I do not want the conservitives to go away. but 15 years later I am still upset about men like Elder Yadon getting kicked out.
So, Dan, which Abortionists and Hitlers do you suggest we put on trial. Why don't you name some names since it has already happened! You say some pretty bizarre things friend. I guess if I knew you better I might have a better understanding of which side of Jupiter you are coming from.
Those seeking heads come from the right ... no one is looking to adjudicate anyone ... just to point out the hijackers' intents and atrocities.
Whether it's the majority or rarely happens, the fact is, it does happen, and it shouldn't. Many people are hurt in the process.
HO, that is a fact that cannot be swept under the rug. There are many good pastors in the UPC, of that there can be no question. But there are also those, too many of those, who slice and dice saints like it is a blood sport in the name of control and boast that at least they have not "let down" on the doctrine. Mistreatment of God's sheep is never acceptable, especially in the name of religion.
__________________
"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
I understand how you might feel, however, that is one of the reasons this forum exists. People need a sounding board for their ideas. If they're in the UPC they CERTAINLY can't get help from within or ask questions. Once one does that, they are labelled and too frequently ostracized.
This attitude is apparent on forums also.
And some wonder why we prefer to remain anonymous............
Those seeking heads come from the right ... no one is looking to adjudicate anyone ... just to point out the hijackers' intents and atrocities.
Whatever! I should have stuck to my original intent and stayed out of this foolishness!
I find your position just as despicable as those you say are coming from the right. I look at you and I see pot calling kettle black! you are so caught up in your own wisdom and enlightenment that you cannot see that you are guilty of the same thing you accuse others of! Except, of course, you are always right and the rest of us are Baby Killers and Murderers. Only you have the capacity to love or even know what that is!
HO, that is a fact that cannot be swept under the rug. There are many good pastors in the UPC, of that there can be no question. But there are also those, too many of those, who slice and dice saints like it is a blood sport in the name of control and boast that at least they have not "let down" on the doctrine. Mistreatment of God's sheep is never acceptable, especially in the name of religion.
I've had both kinds of pastors. Having a 'slice and dice' pastor for 13 years did something to me......something I've been trying to get over for almost 20 years now.
Linear Mode
