So what "spirits of abortion" have you identified in the Oneness movement? I am pretty sure I embrace all of them so why don't you go ahead and blow up my clinic with "the bomb"!
I prefer digging a hole underneith the clinic and boring a hole into the clinic then pumping cement into the clinic until it is full and turns into a solid block of useless cement.
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I would agree that most men in the UPCI are awesome Men of God ... but there is a "holocaust" that is happening throughout the entire Apostolic/Christian movement that deserves our attention.
So you are a button pusher too? Holocaust?! You guys are amazing! You don't even have any idea what you are speaking of!
I will laugh so i don't cry! Are these the buzz words you are picking up from NCO.. if so, you have made up my mind as to whether I am interested in fellowshipping there!
Bro, there are also many who are just as passionate about change and being progressive. Both "views" have the right to facilitate change within the guidelines of the org's manual.
and some of us advocate keeping room in the UPCI for the various views that have historically been a part of the UPCI. That is what I have always wanted.
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PP can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem to me that he is having an "epiphany" of sorts.
These types of things cause most of us to react in ways that others seem to misinterpret. I think he is being honest how he feels about what is happening in his heart. We all also have the right to disagree with how one describes what is happening in their heart and how they see it.
Well, I would prefer that he get through his epiphany in solitude and not smear everything he is regurgitating in the perceived "cleansing process" all over everyone else!
So you are a button pusher too? Holocaust?! You guys are amazing! You don't even have any idea what you are speaking of!
I will laugh so i don't cry! Are these the buzz words you are picking up from NCO.. if so, you have made up my mind as to whether I am interested in fellowshipping there!
Phil .. this is farthest from what I've heard at from NCO ... quite the opposite ... you can bury your head in the sand ... no problem ... I've been around the block too ... I've got plenty to base it on ... Don't cry ... dry your eye ... and see what some in the movement are feeling.
and some of us advocate keeping room in the UPCI for the various views that have historically been a part of the UPCI. That is what I have always wanted.
Ferd,
I too am in favor of this position! I don't see men as abortionists or guards of the Gulag just because we don't agree! That is why I am so opposed to the histrionics and mis-characterizations!
Well, I would prefer that he get through his epiphany in solitude and not smear everything he is regurgitating in the perceived "cleansing process" all over everyone else!
I understand how you might feel, however, that is one of the reasons this forum exists. People need a sounding board for their ideas. If they're in the UPC they CERTAINLY can't get help from within or ask questions. Once one does that, they are labelled and too frequently ostracized.
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I too am in favor of this position! I don't see men as abortionists or guards of the Gulag just because we don't agree! That is why I am so opposed to the histrionics and mis-characterizations!
You don't see it happening because it's already be done.
You have woven a web of your own making, Ferd .... men like Yadon were very clear in TF's book ... they preached Acts 2:38 with the same fervor because it is God's Word ... but clearly the distinction was defined and clear ... and their views of baptismal regeneration were stark in comparison ... I have never asserted that we should not obey Acts 2:38 but you would rather pontificate about how I don't get it ... if you see eye to eye w/ Ron then you'd should know I'm probably to his right .... sheesh ...
Loren Yadon was the assistant pastor of my home church. I think I can speak with some clairity on the subject.
as for what you beleive, this isnt our first round on the subject bro. Ron and I dont see eye to eye but we respect each other.... I would like for you and I to find that same middle ground. Go back to the other thread from this morning and read thru it with an unbiased eye and tell me that there was no cause for me to be taken aback by what you were saying... and look at the questions I asked that you didnt answer.
its time for bed. night night. until tomorrow my friend.
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PP can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem to me that he is having an "epiphany" of sorts.
These types of things cause most of us to react in ways that others seem to misinterpret. I think he is being honest how he feels about what is happening in his heart. We all also have the right to disagree with how one describes what is happening in their heart and how they see it.
Whether it's the majority or rarely happens, the fact is, it does happen, and it shouldn't. Many people are hurt in the process.
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