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Old 02-22-2007, 08:59 PM
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No .. not Ferd ... He never mocks anyone ...
you're both my friends... I don't want to be in the middle of it... but I don't think that was a fair statement by him by any stretch of the imagination.
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:21 PM
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Yer a little too smarmy wid diz comment, bro...
i am wondering if you saw the Holy Grail comment....
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:22 PM
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i am wondering if you saw the Holy Grail comment....
ah ... the 'two wrongs make a right' argument .... Love you Ferdy !!
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:23 PM
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No .. not Ferd ... He never mocks anyone ...
oh i mock... I even get smarmy... I just wasnt being here. it wasnt a jab but I can see where it would come across that way.....Ronzo keeps me honest.

but honestly Dont you agree that your doctrinal postion is pretty far removed from mainline UPCI?
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ah ... the 'two wrongs make a right' argument .... Love you Ferdy !!
Daniel, did you see my clairification?
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:25 PM
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oh i mock... I even get smarmy... I just wasnt being here. it wasnt a jab but I can see where it would come across that way.....Ronzo keeps me honest.

but honestly Dont you agree that your doctrinal postion is pretty far removed from mainline UPCI?
Howard Goss ... I guess wasn't mainstream either???? LOL
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:29 PM
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Howard Goss ... I guess wasn't mainstream either???? LOL
oh no. you dont get to claim that buddy. just because you read TF doesnt mean you get to make some claim on the PCI doctrine. you said yourself you left in november of last year. that would be 15 years too late to be making a claim no Howard Goss.


And for your information, I am the one that has called the Affermations statement the infernal document.... and have called it that longer than youve been posting on these forums. I have looooong held that there SHOULD be a place for the PCI folk in the UPCI even now.

Daniel, having seen some of what youve posted, honestly I am not real convinced you are in the same place the Goss and the others were. But we can continue the discussion and find out.... and I am not being smarmy.
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I am so sick and tired of the bonds of legalism that a small minority within our movement want to place us in. This minority is affecting many things within the Apostolic culture. There is a dawning realization in me that rules can never replace relationship. Real morality is placed deep within the heart of a man who is in love with Jesus. No rule can ever take the place of that intimacy.

The spirit of abortion is in hundreds of legalistic position papers we have been formulating for decades. It is found in the heavy-handedness of supposed elders, who rebuke the cognitive process in the young as rebellious, and by default, wicked. It is found in every sermon that focuses on works of man more than the Work of God's grace.

The spirit of abortion is alive and well in many churches today. We rely on persona and tradition more than a sovereign move of the Holy Ghost. There are far too few prayer meetings nowadays. Instead, we run after every self-proclaimed Apostolic guru that lands on a conference stage.

I'm tired of politics. I'm tired of self-promotion. I'm tired of a complete lack of integrity in high levels of leadership.

This spirit is killing real revival.


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From my own personal experience, this is a very difficult position to be in. When the tower of TRADITION begins to shake and quake and crack and crumble, TRUTH is will be the only thing left standing.


Let 'er fall and let TRUTH prevail!!!! Hang in there bro! It's just like breaking the sound barrier. It gets real scary and feels like the plane is going to come apart and then..................it just settles down and before you know it, you've broken the sound barrier and it all smooths out!!!!

The Jesus that led you into it will lead you out of it. Follow the CLOUD!!
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oh no. you dont get to claim that buddy. just because you read TF doesnt mean you get to make some claim on the PCI doctrine. you said yourself you left in november of last year. that would be 15 years too late to be making a claim no Howard Goss.


And for your information, I am the one that has called the Affermations statement the infernal document.... and have called it that longer than youve been posting on these forums. I have looooong held that there SHOULD be a place for the PCI folk in the UPCI even now.

Daniel, having seen some of what youve posted, honestly I am not real convinced you are in the same place the Goss and the others were. But we can continue the discussion and find out.... and I am not being smarmy.
Ferd ... has it ever occurred that my PCI view is newly formed ... why do you insist being a mind reader ... just ask Ronzo where I stand ... please stop w/ this 'monopoly' on truth bit.
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:38 PM
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Was David Masmundt PCI when he left your church, or was he still PAJC?
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