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Old 02-22-2007, 04:12 PM
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The Spirit of Abortion

I am so sick and tired of the bonds of legalism that a small minority within our movement want to place us in. This minority is affecting many things within the Apostolic culture. There is a dawning realization in me that rules can never replace relationship. Real morality is placed deep within the heart of a man who is in love with Jesus. No rule can ever take the place of that intimacy.

The spirit of abortion is in hundreds of legalistic position papers we have been formulating for decades. It is found in the heavy-handedness of supposed elders, who rebuke the cognitive process in the young as rebellious, and by default, wicked. It is found in every sermon that focuses on works of man more than the Work of God's grace.

The spirit of abortion is alive and well in many churches today. We rely on persona and tradition more than a sovereign move of the Holy Ghost. There are far too few prayer meetings nowadays. Instead, we run after every self-proclaimed Apostolic guru that lands on a conference stage.

I'm tired of politics. I'm tired of self-promotion. I'm tired of a complete lack of integrity in high levels of leadership.

This spirit is killing real revival.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:22 PM
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Has anyone ever read JR Ensey's book, does God really care about facial hair?
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:25 PM
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Has anyone ever read JR Ensey's book, does God really care about facial hair?
no but I like what you wrote here.
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In it, he lays out an entire doctrine concerning facial hair.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:27 PM
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Doctrine of facial hair .... lol. R U kidding me????
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:28 PM
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In it, he lays out an entire doctrine concerning facial hair.
I am not likely to read that book....I respect men like Brothe Enzy. I do not agree with them.

on a side note, I need to write a book outlineing a doctrine where men only shave on Wednesdays and Saturday nights.
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Can you even begin to imagine? A book written to solidify the idea that having facial hair is sinful? And this while the bible plainly states they plucked the Saviour's beard. Not to mention the fact that history teaches us that it was the custom of true Apostolic men to have a beard. It was a badge of masculinity.
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In it, he lays out an entire doctrine concerning facial hair.
un real. where can I get that book?
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Have you seen pictures of the early pioneers of Pentecost?
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:31 PM
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On the silliness beard and moustache standard ... the following folks would not be eligible "preachers": Jesus, Aaron, and most of OT men of God.

Why is our concept of Holiness ... a photocopy of a 20th century Western businessman??? No cultural contexts ... are being examined ....

* The Jews never appeared without.

2 Samuel 10:5 When they told it unto David, he sent to meet them, because the men were greatly ashamed: and the king said, Tarry at Jericho until your beards be grown, and then return.

* Worn even by the priests.

Psalms 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

* Laying hold of, a token of respect.
2 Samuel 20:9 And Joab said to Amasa, Art thou in health, my brother? And Joab took Amasa by the beard with the right hand to kiss him.

* Shaving of, a great offense.
2 Samuel 10:4 Wherefore Hanun took David's servants, and shaved off the one half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle, even to their buttocks, and sent them away.

2 Samuel 10:6-7 And when the children of Ammon saw that they stank before David, the children of Ammon sent and hired the Syrians of Bethrehob, and the Syrians of Zoba, twenty thousand footmen, and of king Maacah a thousand men, and of Ishtob twelve thousand men. And when David heard of it, he sent Joab, and all the host of the mighty men.

* Plucking of, a sign of scorn.
Isaiah 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
* Dribbling on, a sign of derangement.

1 Samuel 21:13 And he changed his behaviour before them, and feigned himself mad in their hands, and scrabbled on the doors of the gate, and let his spittle fall down upon his beard.

* IN AFFLICTION,
o Was neglected and untrimmed.

2 Samuel 19:24 And Mephibosheth the son of Saul came down to meet the king, and had neither dressed his feet, nor trimmed his beard, nor washed his clothes, from the day the king departed until the day he came again in peace.

o Was clipped.
Jeremiah 48:37 For every head shall be bald, and every beard clipped: upon all the hands shall be cuttings, and upon the loins sackcloth.

o Was shorn.
Jeremiah 41:5 That there came certain from Shechem, from Shiloh, and from Samaria, even fourscore men, having their beards shaven, and their clothes rent, and having cut themselves, with offerings and incense in their hand, to bring them to the house of the LORD.

o Sometimes plucked out.

Ezra 9:3 And when I heard this thing, I rent my garment and my mantle, and plucked off the hair of my head and of my beard, and sat down astonied.

* Corners of, not to be marred for the dead.

Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Leviticus 21:5 They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.

* Subject to leprosy.

Leviticus 13:29-30 If a man or woman have a plague upon the head or the beard; Then the priest shall see the plague: and, behold, if it be in sight deeper than the skin; and there be in it a yellow thin hair; then the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is a dry scall, even a leprosy upon the head or beard.

* Of the healed leper to be shaved.

Leviticus 14:9 But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.

* Shaving, illustrative of severe judgments.

Isaiah 7:20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.

Isaiah 15:2 He is gone up to Bajith, and to Dibon, the high places, to weep: Moab shall howl over Nebo, and over Medeba: on all their heads shall be baldness, and every beard cut off.

Ezekiel 5:1 And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a barber's razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard: then take thee balances to weigh, and divide the hair.
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