The Spirit of Abortion

[Nahum]

I am so sick and tired of the bonds of legalism that a small minority within our movement want to place us in. This minority is affecting many things within the Apostolic culture. There is a dawning realization in me that rules can never replace relationship. Real morality is placed deep within the heart of a man who is in love with Jesus. No rule can ever take the place of that intimacy.

The spirit of abortion is in hundreds of legalistic position papers we have been formulating for decades. It is found in the heavy-handedness of supposed elders, who rebuke the cognitive process in the young as rebellious, and by default, wicked. It is found in every sermon that focuses on works of man more than the Work of God's grace.

The spirit of abortion is alive and well in many churches today. We rely on persona and tradition more than a sovereign move of the Holy Ghost. There are far too few prayer meetings nowadays. Instead, we run after every self-proclaimed Apostolic guru that lands on a conference stage.

I'm tired of politics. I'm tired of self-promotion. I'm tired of a complete lack of integrity in high levels of leadership.

This spirit is killing real revival.

[Nahum]

Has anyone ever read JR Ensey's book, does God really care about facial hair?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Has anyone ever read JR Ensey's book, does God really care about facial hair?

no but I like what you wrote here.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Has anyone ever read JR Ensey's book, does God really care about facial hair?

Pastor I don't really know you so I don't know your stand on UPC or the standards...I have not been very interested in battles over standards for some time...the reason being everyone has his or her opinion and there is nothing anyone can write outside of UPC that will phase them...I have done a lot of research and I really don't find much to support in a clear manner what standards are to be....

I was out for two years and have been back in for getting close to a year now...


Standards seem to be such a point of contention among so many, and the thing I have found it that for everyone that has researched scripture on these points finds their own opinion...most in UPC won't go to any outside commentary, because they assume if it does not line up with UPC it has to be wrong....


I for one don't think hair, dress, pants, skirts, jewelry or any other outward appearance will determine our path to heaven. What we feel inside is reflected on the outside...how we love God and our neighbors is what is going to be the important things to God...how many souls did we love, how many souls did he reach through us...I can't "save" anyone, but God can use me...I see little new friut...

[Nahum]

In it, he lays out an entire doctrine concerning facial hair.

[SDG]

Doctrine of facial hair .... lol. R U kidding me????

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

In it, he lays out an entire doctrine concerning facial hair.

I am not likely to read that book....I respect men like Brothe Enzy. I do not agree with them.

on a side note, I need to write a book outlineing a doctrine where men only shave on Wednesdays and Saturday nights.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I am not likely to read that book....I respect men like Brothe Enzy. I do not agree with them.

on a side note, I need to write a book outlineing a doctrine where men only shave on Wednesdays and Saturday nights.

Yes, that seems to be the trend among many Apostolic men.
Brother Ensy is well-respected, but this is another example of a personal conviction that has morphed into twenty-first century Apostolic doctrine.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

In it, he lays out an entire doctrine concerning facial hair.

un real. where can I get that book?

[Nahum]

Can you even begin to imagine? A book written to solidify the idea that having facial hair is sinful? And this while the bible plainly states they plucked the Saviour's beard. Not to mention the fact that history teaches us that it was the custom of true Apostolic men to have a beard. It was a badge of masculinity.