Scummy Pot

Originally Posted by Old Paths

I can believe you feel that way, I really can.

Let me put it this way, if that the best the organization bring about no wonder their membership falling away like dead fly's! Lame and for the mindless at best!

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I have learned a few things in my short life, and one of the things I have learned is that the devil and carnal people hate authority.

And power trippers despise and hate those who can think for themselves!

Originally Posted by Ferd

When something isnt easy to hear, it becomes more easy to disreguard. It is sad really when one considers that the easy words often bring very little good.

Na, it's easy to hear and understand, what it's saying is mindless and does not take being a rocket science to figure that out!

[Rico]

I wonder what this man would say about his messages being broadcast all over the internet, seeing how much more evil the internet is than television.

Originally Posted by COOPER

Deseret are you ashamed to reveal who you are and the Church you attend?

Are you on AFF with out your Pastors consent?

Why would your Pastor want to even hide his identity?

You come bumping a Scum Pot of a thread, but are too cowardly to put your own name and church on it.

Do you witness in your neighborhood wearing a mask?

What do you have to hide Deseret?


Are you a Deseret or a Lowly Desert Rat???

Why would I need my pastors consent to be here?

I did not tell my pastor that I was going to post his pic on a forum, and I regret doing so.

The message is endorsed by me. It does not represent the views of my pastor and/or church.

[Rico]

I had some time available this early morning, and have listened to this message. The only thing he said that I can honestly agree with is that the apostolic church should not accept members that do not have the Holy Ghost. As for the rest..........................................well , he'd be hard pressed to prove any of it.

He said the Word plainly teaches a woman should not cut her hair. It doesn't take that much in the way of study to see it most certainly does not teach this doctrine plainly. The only two things about hair that are plain to see is that it is a shame for a man to have long hair and a woman should have long hair. The uncut hair doctrine is not supported by scripture.

What more can be said about television than has already been said? Having one or not having one needs to be a matter of conscience and conviction, not something that is legislated from pulpits.

I would like for someone to show me anywhere in the Bible where God took a healing back from someone over them not repenting. He plainly said it's Bible while relating the story about the woman with cancer, so I'd like to see some proof. It may be there somewhere, but I do not remember ever reading of such happening in the Bible.

I would also like for someone familiar with the circumstances in Laurel to give us some background information. This man had some very harsh things to say to that congregation about them heading into apostacy and being reprobate concerning the faith. I seriously doubt that God would send someone to a church to preach that kind of message over women cutting their hair and people not paying their tithes directly to the pastor. There had to have been something else going on there that was not brought up in the message.

Overall I have to say I was not very impressed with this message. I do not know when this message was preached, but my impression of these types of messages is that they come along when pastors begin to realize they are losing the grip they had on people for so many years. Let's face it. For a long time most pastors, be they apostolic or not, had a certain level of control and power over their congregations, almost to the point where it could be said they ruled over them. For the last 35 years or so, as people have become more educated on the Word, that power has slowly been taken away more and more. People have more say as individuals on what they will or won't allow, based on their convictions and understanding of the Word. I don't have a problem with that as long as we realize that along with more freedom comes more accountability to God for where we find ourselves spiritually.

I see what I would term as borderline desperation on the part of those pastors unwilling to turn that power over to the people. Desperation born of fear. Fear that people will fall away, fear that people won't know how to handle too much freedom, fear that God will somehow punish them for not doing everything in their power to keep that power.

I know that pastors have a tough job and I certainly would not want to be one. The glass house alone would be enough to drive me nuts. In my opinion the time has come for pastors to realize that the days of legislating from pulpits are gone. Using fear tactics to get people to comply isn't going to work any more. The Bible says to save some with fear, not everyone. No one is suggesting that you not preach your convictions. All I am saying is preach your convictions but stop trying to make hard and fast rules about those convictions. People are going to know what you believe by what you live anyway.

That's all I have to say. Feel free to tell me how backslid and lost I am. Go ahead and lump me in with the preacher hater's crowd, if you must. I'm used to it by now. I'm just someone who is dumb enough to believe that God knows where I am and He knows where He wants me to be, and He knows how to speak to me when it's time to change anything He's not happy with. He's done it so many times already, and I am sure He will do it again. Yeah, maybe it would be easier if I were to go back to a church where the pastor feels he has to spell everything out to God's people, but God knows that way of doing things will never work with me again.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Rico

For the last 35 years or so, as people have become more educated on the Word, that power has slowly been taken away more and more. People have more say as individuals on what they will or won't allow, based on their convictions and understanding of the Word. I don't have a problem with that as long as we realize that along with more freedom comes more accountability to God for where we find ourselves spiritually.

Very good post, Rico. I particularly like & agree with the above.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deseret

Why would I need my pastors consent to be here?

I did not tell my pastor that I was going to post his pic on a forum, and I regret doing so.

The message is endorsed by me. It does not represent the views of my pastor and/or church.

That's your pastor in your avatar? Weird.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by deseret

Why would I need my pastors consent to be here?

I did not tell my pastor that I was going to post his pic on a forum, and I regret doing so.

The message is endorsed by me. It does not represent the views of my pastor and/or church.

Deseret are you a single man now?

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Rico

I had some time available this early morning, and have listened to this message. The only thing he said that I can honestly agree with is that the apostolic church should not accept members that do not have the Holy Ghost. As for the rest..........................................well , he'd be hard pressed to prove any of it.

He said the Word plainly teaches a woman should not cut her hair. It doesn't take that much in the way of study to see it most certainly does not teach this doctrine plainly. The only two things about hair that are plain to see is that it is a shame for a man to have long hair and a woman should have long hair. The uncut hair doctrine is not supported by scripture.

What more can be said about television than has already been said? Having one or not having one needs to be a matter of conscience and conviction, not something that is legislated from pulpits.

I would like for someone to show me anywhere in the Bible where God took a healing back from someone over them not repenting. He plainly said it's Bible while relating the story about the woman with cancer, so I'd like to see some proof. It may be there somewhere, but I do not remember ever reading of such happening in the Bible.

I would also like for someone familiar with the circumstances in Laurel to give us some background information. This man had some very harsh things to say to that congregation about them heading into apostacy and being reprobate concerning the faith. I seriously doubt that God would send someone to a church to preach that kind of message over women cutting their hair and people not paying their tithes directly to the pastor. There had to have been something else going on there that was not brought up in the message.

Overall I have to say I was not very impressed with this message. I do not know when this message was preached, but my impression of these types of messages is that they come along when pastors begin to realize they are losing the grip they had on people for so many years. Let's face it. For a long time most pastors, be they apostolic or not, had a certain level of control and power over their congregations, almost to the point where it could be said they ruled over them. For the last 35 years or so, as people have become more educated on the Word, that power has slowly been taken away more and more. People have more say as individuals on what they will or won't allow, based on their convictions and understanding of the Word. I don't have a problem with that as long as we realize that along with more freedom comes more accountability to God for where we find ourselves spiritually.

I see what I would term as borderline desperation on the part of those pastors unwilling to turn that power over to the people. Desperation born of fear. Fear that people will fall away, fear that people won't know how to handle too much freedom, fear that God will somehow punish them for not doing everything in their power to keep that power.

I know that pastors have a tough job and I certainly would not want to be one. The glass house alone would be enough to drive me nuts. In my opinion the time has come for pastors to realize that the days of legislating from pulpits are gone. Using fear tactics to get people to comply isn't going to work any more. The Bible says to save some with fear, not everyone. No one is suggesting that you not preach your convictions. All I am saying is preach your convictions but stop trying to make hard and fast rules about those convictions. People are going to know what you believe by what you live anyway.

That's all I have to say. Feel free to tell me how backslid and lost I am. Go ahead and lump me in with the preacher hater's crowd, if you must. I'm used to it by now. I'm just someone who is dumb enough to believe that God knows where I am and He knows where He wants me to be, and He knows how to speak to me when it's time to change anything He's not happy with. He's done it so many times already, and I am sure He will do it again. Yeah, maybe it would be easier if I were to go back to a church where the pastor feels he has to spell everything out to God's people, but God knows that way of doing things will never work with me again.

I would like for someone to show me anywhere in the Bible where God took a healing back from someone over them not repenting. He plainly said it's Bible while relating the story about the woman with cancer, so I'd like to see some proof. It may be there somewhere, but I do not remember ever reading of such happening in the Bible.

Jhn 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.