KH believes the Light Doctrine??

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Got something against being nice? This brother and I have known each other online for several years. We know we disagree with each other but have found a way to still be friends through it.

Nothing against being nice.

Actually my remark was directed mostly toward HaShaliach, the Rabbi who has the peculair idea that Acts 2:38 does not mean what it says. He might be amazed to learn that there are those among us that do not have to read it carefully, time and again, very slowly, word for word to be able to comprehend what it says and means both textually and contextually.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Aquila, do you not believe in Acts 2:38 as the Bible way of salvation?

Do you not believe in Baptism in Jesus Name being essential?

Originally Posted by Aquila

When I was saved I didn't know the difference between the Trinity or Oneness. I just repented of my sins, was baptized in Jesus name as the Scripture commands, and prayed for the Holy Ghost. And I know many saints that really don't understand Oneness doctrine but who have obeyed the gospel and been saved.

When it comes to GOD, nobody can fully explain him. Therefore obedience trumps rather or not we understand what is virtually un-understandable. I hope that clarifies.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Let me make my questions easier to answer. (mark one box)




______________Yes




______________No

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Be sure you know what your answer will be it will mark you for eternity in the ultracon/mod mind.

The question was for Aquila.
You don't answer any questions on this either.

It is a direct question. I care less if you are PCi/PAJC or Charismatic. Do you believe Jesus Name Baptism is obligatory or optional?
Simple questions that deserve Simple answers. Others who say they are of PCI beliefs answer them all the time here.

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Are you of the belief that once saved you're always saved?

Absolutely, and of course not! This answer is not frivolous, it is quite honest.

This is one of those rhetorical questions that arise from accepting as true, a faulty teaching firmly established in church dogma, not in scripture.

First, once a person is "saved", it is in truth, a done deal! That, however, is from God's side of the covenant, not from man's. Here are a few scriptures to assist in getting started in a study:

Foundation: De 7:9

Applied: 1Co 1:9, 1Co 10:13, 2Co 1:20, John 10:28,29

The second response, "Of course not". Primarly, just because one becomes a follower of Jesus Christ, they do not relinquish their free will. One is always free to change their mind and return to the world. But that is a very dangerous path to walk.

For example: 2 Tim 4:9-11, Heb 6:1-8 (Most likely you will not hear this scripture taught very often.) Even so, it is still difficult to loose one's salvation over a sin. 1Co 5:5

So, if these verses are carefully considered, and with a little additional study and related scripture search, my answers to your question takes on a deeper meaning than first suggested by the question.

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Do I believe that once I was sealed by the Holy Ghost unto the day of judgment is God's guarantee of my promised salvation? Yes. Absolutely!

Do I think I can also loose my salvation through continued sin and disobedience? Yes, I certainly will!

Can I loose my salvation like misplacing my car keys? Not likely.

I truly hope that this helps in bringing clarity to this issue. Those who taught you to judge others by the standard of "once saved, always saved" as somehow being evil, have lied to you and set up another right/wrong game that God never intended for His children to play.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Be sure you know what your answer will be it will mark you for eternity in the ultracon/mod mind.

More chants from the nose bleed section:





But never any meat....

[A.W. Bowman]

Here is why I find these kinds of questions so problematical:

Do you believe in the “once saved always saved” doctrine?

If I answered, Yes, then it is assumed that I believe in having a “free pass” into heaven and I miss out on hell. It is also assumed that I believe that I can live any kind of (sinful) life style I choose and “get a way with it”. Yet, to answer Yes is also to affirm my faith (trust and confidence) in God’s character and in His promises.

If I answer, No, then it assumed that I believe in living my life according to the standards of holiness as dedicated by men from their list of good ideas of what is pleasing to God. It is also assumed that I at least consider the fact that I could loose my salvation over most anything - even my accident (an unknown sin). When actually by answering, No, to the question, I deny God’s divine nature and call Him a liar.

So, how does one answer these kinds of questions?

A more acceptable questions would be: Do you believe that a saint of God can forfeit their salvation? Answer: Yes! I am also convinced that one can have their name blotted out of the Book of Life by God's own hand.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I was laying in bed one evening not too long ago and I was meditating on these thoughts:
If baptism is because of the remission of sins, why were the Jews instructed to Repent?

That makes absolutely no sense.

I think that some would say that the repentence brings the forgiveness of sins. The Jews were told to "Repent" first, and then be baptized.

After repentance the people were baptized in Jesus name because of the forgiveness of sins that they had just recieved.

I'm not really set in one position on this any more. Most of my life was spent as an ardent "3 Stepper" but that left too many questions unanswered. Right now I can see both sides of the argument in Acts 2:38. However, the thing that saves is our faith in the grace of God (Ephesians 2:8).

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Here is why I find these kinds of questions so problematical:

Do you believe in the “once saved always saved” doctrine?

If I answered, Yes, then it is assumed that I believe in having a “free pass” into heaven and I miss out on hell. It is also assumed that I believe that I can live any kind of (sinful) life style I choose and “get a way with it”. Yet, to answer Yes is also to affirm my faith (trust and confidence) in God’s character and in His promises.

If I answer, No, then it assumed that I believe in living my life according to the standards of holiness as dedicated by men from their list of good ideas of what is pleasing to God. It is also assumed that I at least consider the fact that I could loose my salvation over most anything - even my accident (an unknown sin). When actually by answering, No, to the question, I deny God’s divine nature and call Him a liar.

So, how does one answer these kinds of questions?

A more acceptable questions would be: Do you believe that a saint of God can forfeit their salvation? Answer: Yes! I am also convinced that one can have their name blotted out of the Book of Life by God's own hand.

Well said, the Christian enters into a covenant that no outside force can break not life, death, powers or principalities. Because those things are third parties to the covenant between the Christian and the Christ. Just as no outside force can violate a valid covenant marriage.

However, those in the covenant can seek to rescind it. Thereby rendering it of none effect.

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Well said, the Christian enters into a covenant that no outside force can break not life, death, powers or principalities. Because those things are third parties to the covenant between the Christian and the Christ. Just as no outside force can violate a valid covenant marriage.

However, those in the covenant can seek to rescind it. Thereby rendering it of none effect.

You broke the code! Thank you.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think that some would say that the repentence brings the forgiveness of sins. The Jews were told to "Repent" first, and then be baptized.

After repentance the people were baptized in Jesus name because of the forgiveness of sins that they had just recieved.

I'm not really set in one position on this any more. Most of my life was spent as an ardent "3 Stepper" but that left too many questions unanswered. Right now I can see both sides of the argument in Acts 2:38. However, the thing that saves is our faith in the grace of God (Ephesians 2:8).

I think believing (faith) is our greatest act of obedience...as a result of that faith we "go and sin no more" (repentance - turning from sin to God).

So at our moment of believing in the resurrection power of Christ's work on the cross and that He alone is sufficient to wipe away our sins with his blood, we are saved. At this point, we enter into a new relationship with God, we become sons of God, through the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. Believing is so underrated...it's amazing. From that moment he regenerates us and helps us "sin no more" and we go onto other acts of obedience which are a result of our genuine faith that is expressed in love.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

HOW NICE!!!!

While the two of you are bestowing blessings and heavenly felicities upon each of yourselves, I would like to remind the "Rabbi" that Jesus never did say, "He that believeth and is SAVED shall be baptized." Some of you folk seem to think that is what it reads.

We should be careful how closely we parse the NT's language. The passage that you mention goes on to say that signs would follow those "who believe." Does this mean that there are no signs that follow those who are baptized?

There is a natural flow to language. We should let that flow continue throughout the passage. To insist that a single verse here and there be understood with a very wooden literalism, and then the very next verses have a broader meaning is inconsistent.

Peter said of the flood of Noah's time:

"Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ..." (1 Peter 3:21).

The waters of baptism don't save us. They may remove dirt from the body, but that's not really the point of baptism. There's nothing "magical" about the act. According to Peter (who preached Acts 2:38), what saves us is our repentance (an "appeal to God for a good conscience") and the work of Jesus Christ.