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Originally Posted by John Atkinson
Besides, in the afore quoted "line-by-line word-by-word theory, they had not yet repented when they asked "Men and Brethren, what shall we do?" Had they done so why would Peter have needed to be redundant?
Are they saved even before repentance? I thought that violated even one-stepper theology.
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See my previous post.
As a help:
2:1 ¶ And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 ¶ And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 ¶ But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
There is more to a walk with Jesus than faith alone, being of its self. There is also obeying the gospel, there is working out your own salvation, and there a number of such requirements. However, to impose one doctrine on scripture in order to maintain one's believe system is to do violence to the scriptures.
For example, If an angel told you, with the full knowledge and assurance from God, Himself, that your name was written in the Book of Life, would you consider it sufficient enough evidence that at that time you were trully "saved"?
Not according to our doctrine! But, the question remains: When are we "saved"
37 ¶ Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do (in order to be saved)? contradicts v. 21 and much of Paul's teaching. Has anyone ever repented of their sins prior to expressing their faith in Jesus? Can an individual have "any sin in their lives" and still be saved? This sampling of doctrinal subjects must be in harmony.
No one can change the minds of others, they must do that themselves. It is a question of whom shall ye believe? The word of God, or the good ideas of men.
If we have difficulty with the word, then it is best that we not develop a doctrine out of it, until we do understand it. If a different light is brought to bear on a subject, do not dismisses it out of hand, but test it against the word, not another doctrine.
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