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Old 12-21-2007, 06:56 PM
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The mission of the church..."Go ye therefore". What I'm saying, is the church will never be perfected. No such thing. We will never take over the earth.

We are called to prepare our hearts for eternity by doing good on this earth. It's not complicated.

The kingdom of Heaven is at hand. The mission of the church is the mission of Christ; seeking and saving the lost. Whosoever will, let them drink from the fountain of life freely.

Our mission is to do good. Show the world the Kingdom of God on this earth so they will desire it and seek after it. The only God people will ever see is the God living in me.
We might disagree and discuss things but since I am delusional and need a therapist, anything that I might say would be held in suspect. There is no basis of intelligent discussion with someone who is delusional. You should not attempt such a thing lest someone thinks that you are also delusional. Don't keep bad company. It is not good for your reputation.
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:28 PM
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We might disagree and discuss things but since I am delusional and need a therapist, anything that I might say would be held in suspect. There is no basis of intelligent discussion with someone who is delusional. You should not attempt such a thing lest someone thinks that you are also delusional. Don't keep bad company. It is not good for your reputation.
Aren't you taking things a little too seriously? By the way, I didn't say you were delusional, I said your quest for Apostolic perfection may be.
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:31 PM
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The quote belongs to me...I'm delusional?
The enclosed quote found in 437 is Aquila's, not mine though it is attributed to me. You disagreed with it but it was not mine.
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:50 PM
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The enclosed quote found in 437 is Aquila's, not mine though it is attributed to me. You disagreed with it but it was not mine.
Okay, fair enough, I enjoy arguing for fun...lol
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:51 AM
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I disagree. Have you ever read the New Testament? The churches were infants. The book of Acts church was filled with persecution. Jerusalem destroyed. Kinda reminds me of Grampa saying "back in the good ol'd day". No toilet paper, no air conditioning, no microwaves. These were the good ol'e days?
Yes. Their unity and simplicity of life was a key. In addition they turned their world upside down. Far more than we can say about the church today.
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:39 AM
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Unity and simplicity of life. We're a long ways away from that today, aren't we?!

Having worked in a large Christian bookstore over the past few years, I've had the opportunity to meet and talk with many pastors and ministry leaders in the "Christian" community who are just perplexed at how to deal with church and pastoring anymore. So many are discouraged and feel that everything has become so complicated. So many are leaving the ministry. So many churches are closing up and splitting! It's like an epidemic taking place!!

Maybe it's partly because we've allowed it to become complicated because we've bought into what people think we need in order to do church anymore and to stay "current" and relate to the Xers and subsequent generations. Maybe it actually IS necessary in order to relate to a younger generation. Is it?

But it doesn't seem to have been effective for the most part when you consider the lack of growth in most churches and the fact that so many people IN the church are dissatisfied and unhappy and comparing things to the way it "used to be" and nothing can measure up.

So many pastors and ministry leaders are discouraged, disillusioned and packing it in and dropping out of ministry. They feel it's just not worth the trouble or the hassle and a sacrificial lifestyle (which really should be part and parcel of living a Christian life -- "take up thy "cross" and folow Me" were the words of Jesus after all) is not what most are willing to live.

I guess that for me whatever sacrifices have to be made, whatever adjustments have to be made to keep up can be justified as long as we're not compromising truth, and as long as we're reaching people with the Gospel and seeing lives transformed. Because that ........ is the bottom line and is our mandate.

Except that we also have a responsibility to care in the best way/s possible for the saints and the "aints" too sitting in churches needing the guidance and care of a shepherd.
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:44 AM
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If God can fill a person with the Holy Ghost prior to baptism, clearly much more takes place before baptism than we might traditionally think. What God actually does demonstrates how we should interpret Scripture.

Maybe the next time God fills someone with the Holy Ghost before they are baptized someone should remind Him that the person is still unforgiven until we can find someone duly authorized to dunk 'em.
To some you would do away with the experience of those in Act 8 and 10 who were filled prior to baptism.

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I believe that if one refuses to be water baptized in Jesus name there's an obedience issue that might need to be addressed through bible study or admonition. I think that it's possible that those who ultimately refuse to be water baptized in Jesus name may be classified as being backsliden or in disobedience. While water baptism in Jesus name may not be an absolute requirement for salvation according to some Greek interpretations of Acts 2:38 it is a command that calls for obedience. Therefore one can conceivably repent, be forgiven, be filled with the Holy Ghost, BUT refuse to be baptized in Jesus name and be lost on the basis of disobedience. Baptism is at the very least the first step of obedience (Mark 16:16).
Amazing this is so simple, clearly defined and yet some here scoff at this.

"Either you believe it or reject it"
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(fitting here as well as Evidence That Demands A Verdict)
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Originally Posted by Profiles of Pentecostal Preachers, Vol 1- Page 115
Brother Dearing had come to Maine from Idaho in
the year 1919 and preached throughout the State of
Maine and in New Brunswick. He brought the New
Testament plan of salvation and the Jesus’ Name mes-
sage. He taught that one simply needs to repent, be bap-
tized in the name of Jesus Christ and receive the Holy
Ghost. There had been a teaching that one must repent,
be baptized, then sanctified (die out completely to the
old man) and tarry for the Holy Ghost.
This was an "old timer" and seems he did not have any problem teaching full BIBLICAL Salvation.
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I have noted that some who have left the church and now are part of what others consider Charismatic churches gravitate to the PCI side. This makes Light Doctrine easier to accept to some, for apparently they themselves no longer believe the message.







Or never did.
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You all are getting your quotes mixed-up!

I am going to try to detangle them--
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