KH believes the Light Doctrine?? - Page 44

staysharp · #**431** 12-21-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Did I kill this thread or did someone else kill it?

It does have 430 posts.

Apprehended · #**432** 12-21-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staysharp

It does have 430 posts.

Do you think that with another 430 we might begin to get to the heart of this very important subject?

Start wtih my last post.

BoredOutOfMyMind · #**433** 12-21-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

To someone that believes that the application of Acts 2:38 for salvation is a must, this is not an option. If I did not believe that Acts 2:38 was mandatory, then it would be possible to be like Howard Goss, and say that "the Baptist brothers will be in heaven too".

I think my whole issue in this continues to be.....

-Not that folks believe a "one step doctrine",

-But that folks that claim to believe that Acts 2:38 is the only way can support a leader that does not.

To me this is just inconsistent. I don't know why it bothers me so much. Almost as much as a UPCI preacher watching garbage on tv when his bylaws tell him no.

I have read about half of this entire thead. This was the basis of post number 1, but the thread took some interesting sideturns.

I did not agree with everything George Bush did in Iraq, but voted to keep him in office for fear of what the alternatives were.

I was not there to vote against Resolution #4. I do not like it, but don't know at this point what the alternatives are.

staysharp · #**434** 12-21-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Do you think that with another 430 we might begin to get to the heart of this very important subject?

Start wtih my last post.

It appears to me that you may be somewhat delusional in your quest for "Apostolic Restoration". While I agree the church is in an apostate condition, I would view it through a different perspective.

The church cannot be defined as post pentecost perfect. The saints under the old covenant were not perfect and neither were the ones following the conversion on the early Apostles. The churches Paul established were mired in paganism, fleshly sins, false doctrine, idol worship, etc.

I would tend to think the church today is in a much better position to understand righteousness having the insight provided from generations past including previous generations who modeled Christianity for us.

Paganism, idol worship, fleshly sins are generally defined in todays post pentecost atmosphere.

We tend to look at what "should be" based upon an ideal church established in our own imagination. There is no such church and never will be. People are human and infected with the sin nature. There is no such thing as sinless perfection.

Coming to God does not make you perfect. Surrendering to the Holy Spirit will change your nature as you grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Waiting on the spirit of Elijah to return is foolish idle vanity. Everybody is looking for somebody else to change. Why don't we let it begin with us.

Aquila · #**435** 12-21-2007, 06:04 PM

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I will take you advice and pray before I give a definitive answer to your very excellent point here. I will come back later and give that response after much thought and prayer too. I would instantly agree with you if I thought that Church knew what its divine purpose in the earth is. I feel strongly that the church falls short of this mystery and the yet to be revealed truth.

However, without the benefit of that prayer, my first reaction to your point is that it is God who restores and not ourselves. God restores to the extent that we walk in love, doing the good. Only then does truth flow forth from love and good that allows us to walk in that truth faithfully with love, serving the good until the day that he catches us up into those heavenly realms restoring the church even further...then receiving even further truths that flows forth from love and good...ever advancing onward to perfection.

It is my opinion that the early Apostolic church of Acts was not the church that Jesus was looking for. It was only a very infant church in both revelation of truth and perfection. Even before it could advance to perfection, Paul's wolves came in, not sparing the flock, bringing in many damnable heresies. We know the end of the early Apostolic church.

It is my sincere belief that when the church is fully matured to the state that Jesus is looking for, the glory of the Lord will so much lighten the earth that the wicked will perish as the Sun of Righteousness arises with healing in His wings (Mal. 4) ...to restore all things...even creation itself. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, but Satan deceived mankind (the first church) and gained ascendency, by the power of a lie, over God's creation. Jesus Christ and his wife will retore all things through love and obedience that the first Adam and his wife lost through disobedience.

Yes, I will pray about your objection and come back later, as the Lord will lead me to add further to this particular thought...God willing.

I disagree. I believe the church was most mature in the time of Acts. What we see is a degeneration...not advancement. Sure, some churches were lagging behind, such as Corinth. But I believe the church in Acts manifests itself as a wonderful example of what Jesus expects the church to be while still in this world.

Apprehended · #**436** 12-21-2007, 06:29 PM

Staysharp...

Delusional?

Aquila...

Have you ever stopped to consider what the mission of the church in the earth to be?

Have you stopped to consider the greatest lie that the devil has ever fostered upon the church since he laid the clutch of cocatrice eggs of Trinitarianism? As long as the lies are believed and taught, the church will never come to understand the truth of its mission in the earth.

staysharp · #**437** 12-21-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

I disagree. I believe the church was most mature in the time of Acts. What we see is a degeneration...not advancement. Sure, some churches were lagging behind, such as Corinth. But I believe the church in Acts manifests itself as a wonderful example of what Jesus expects the church to be while still in this world.

I disagree. Have you ever read the New Testament? The churches were infants. The book of Acts church was filled with persecution. Jerusalem destroyed. Kinda reminds me of Grampa saying "back in the good ol'd day". No toilet paper, no air conditioning, no microwaves. These were the good ol'e days?

staysharp · #**438** 12-21-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Staysharp...

Delusional?

Aquila...

Have you ever stopped to consider what the mission of the church in the earth to be?

Have you stopped to consider the greatest lie that the devil has ever fostered upon the church since he laid the clutch of cocatrice eggs of Trinitarianism? As long as the lies are believed and taught, the church will never come to understand the truth of its mission in the earth.

The mission of the church..."Go ye therefore". What I'm saying, is the church will never be perfected. No such thing. We will never take over the earth.

We are called to prepare our hearts for eternity by doing good on this earth. It's not complicated.

The kingdom of Heaven is at hand. The mission of the church is the mission of Christ; seeking and saving the lost. Whosoever will, let them drink from the fountain of life freely.

Our mission is to do good. Show the world the Kingdom of God on this earth so they will desire it and seek after it. The only God people will ever see is the God living in me.