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Old 03-01-2007, 09:56 PM
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TB looked at God and sees two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of God!

Me thinks some of y'all are closet Trinitarians no wonder you think they are saved because in reality that is what y'all are.
Eps ... once and for all ... I'M MORE ONENESS THAN YOU ARE ... w/ one brain tied behind my back ...
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:58 PM
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Eps ... once and for all ... I'M MORE ONENESS THAN YOU ARE ... w/ one brain tied behind my back ...
I have my doubts should I say??????????????
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:59 PM
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Eps ... once and for all ... I'M MORE ONENESS THAN YOU ARE ... w/ one brain tied behind my back ...
That's who u remind me of "Rush". You are "Rush" to me from here on out. That is a good thing...

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That's who u remind me of "Rush". You are "Rush" to me from here on out. That is a good thing...

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TB looked at God and sees two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of God!

Me thinks some of y'all are closet Trinitarians no wonder you think they are saved because in reality that is what y'all are.
LOL! How can a person believe there is two and be Trinitarian? I am looking forward to seeing the expression of shock on your face when you get to heaven. That is if you get to heaven. I still question as to whether someone who attributes the work of the Holy Ghost to Satan places themself in the category of blaspheming against the Holy Ghost, which as we know can't be forgiven.
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Old 03-01-2007, 11:00 PM
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LOL! How can a person believe there is two and be Trinitarian? I am looking forward to seeing the expression of shock on your face when you get to heaven. That is if you get to heaven. I still question as to whether someone who attributes the work of the Holy Ghost to Satan places themself in the category of blaspheming against the Holy Ghost, which as we know can't be forgiven.
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Old 03-02-2007, 08:56 AM
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LOL! How can a person believe there is two and be Trinitarian? I am looking forward to seeing the expression of shock on your face when you get to heaven. That is if you get to heaven. I still question as to whether someone who attributes the work of the Holy Ghost to Satan places themself in the category of blaspheming against the Holy Ghost, which as we know can't be forgiven.
My friend is to calling me a blasphemer. The quote does not say YOU are a Trinitarian however it does seem you at least believe in TWO of which I am not really surprized. And I have NEVER attributed the works of the Holy Ghost to Satan I have called this counterfiet experience that allows folks to remain in their sins as the work of the Devil. With the millions who cliam the HGB in that movement it would be very few who have recieved anything except a spirit of delusion.
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Brother Epley is not a blasphemer!!!!!!
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Old 03-02-2007, 09:28 AM
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I thought most Trinitarians believe in 3 hypostasis' in one homoousious.
Thanks to Cyril, most modern Trinitarians do believe in three hypostases but that isn't the doctrine of Nicene and Constantinopolitan Creeds (the Nicene and Ante-Nicene fathers used the word "prosopon" where you're using hypostasis). As for the word homoousion, it was used only in stating Jesus' divinity, i.e. that His divinity is "the same substance" as the Father. It was because of that word (homoousion) that Arius accused the Council of teaching Sabellianism. Arius insisted that Jesus was homoiousion, because he taught that Jesus was not the same substance as the Father but was of similar substance. It is from the difference between homoousion and homoiousion that we get the phrase "not an iota of difference" and similar phrases: the difference between the two words is the Greek letter iota.
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Old 03-02-2007, 09:36 AM
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I'm not sure what your point is here,
The point is that the Bible says that no MAN has seen God, not that no angel has seen God.
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but Paul certainly taught we are spirit, soul, and body.
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1Thess.5:23)
No, Paul did not teach that we are spirit, soul and body and for you to say so is saying that Paul contradicted Genesis. Notice Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (emphasis mine). The formed man refers to the body; the breath of life refers to the spirit. The result of the spirit being breathed into the body was that man became a living soul.

The Greek word translated "soul" in the passage you quoted is psuche, from which we get the English word psyche. It has various meanings, some of which are synonymous with the spirit and some of which are suggestive of the mind and emotions:
  1. breath
  2. the breath of life
    1. the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing 1a
  3. of animals 1a
  4. of men
  5. life
  6. that in which there is life
    1. a living being, a living soul
  7. the soul
  8. the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
  9. the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
  10. the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)
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I find it interesting that when John escaped physical limitations as a result of being "in the Spirit" on the Isle of Patmos, he not only had a revelation of Jesus Christ, but saw God seated upon the throne and Jesus Christ seated at the right hand of He who sat upon the throne.
Where does it say John saw Jesus seated at the right hand (physically on the right side) of the One sitting on the throne? John saw Jesus as a Lamb slain and He saw Jesus approach the throne to take the seven-sealed scroll.

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This is what I believe will happen when we finally escape the veil of our flesh. We will see God in a way that we have never been able to see Him because we have become like Him.
Well, I'm going to go with John on this one: "Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure" (1 John 3:2-3).
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