Wedding Rings

[berkeley]

Epley and Prax both deserve infractions.. calling eachother "fool-ish" lol

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

no, you are being foolish. Foolish to force your own interpretation on this passage and insist everyone else is foolish for not agreeing with you.

The mere fact that you agree it is foolish tells me I am right! It IS foolish. That is exactly why YOU are wrong. When it seems foolish it can't be true. Paul was NOT forbidding Jewelry. Nor was Jesus really intending for you to hate your parents. You are missing Paul and Peter's point here. He was not saying Jewelry is wrong for women, ok for men. Peter was NOT saying women should not wear clothes. Yes that is foolish and that is exactly why I say you are not understanding what Paul and Peter were saying.

See you are looking at it too and saying "hmm that does not make sense...Paul and Peter must have meant" and then you interpret it to mean "can't wear any form of jewelry no matter how cheap it is..no ornaments and no expensive clothing"

Except that there is no way to determine what amount of money makes something expensive. If the issue is costly then it should be ok to wear cheap ornaments. If God and Pearls are the issue then ornaments is NOT the issue but expense. If ornaments are the issue then stop wearing a tie! Stop wearing a watch. Ask someone for the time or use the cell phone. Don't wear belts, buy pants that fit and lose weight. Don't buy expensive pens. Buy your shoes and clothes all at the thrift store.

See the whole thing is so subjective elder and FOOLISH. You are the one being foolish.

And YOU have NOT told us what moderation is and what would be in violation of the passage or is it impossible to violate the passage??????

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Paul did not say "this is a principle" nor did he say he was speaking of jewelry. He did not say jewelry. Period. You are reading that INTO what Paul said. Second he said it to women, if this was a principle why address it to just one sex?

In fact just about anyone can read this and suppose their own "principle" into the text. Another sees that Pauls point is a woman should not stress that outward extravagence but the inward woman of the heart.

And still others see Paul is saying not to weave gold and pearls into the hair, which the women then were prone to do. They prided themselves in their hair and plaited it with various jewels and gold.

Paul did say "adorn" and I think jewelry would qualify as adornment. It's a decoration, as is costly array, and an extravagant hairstyle. All of these can become sources of pride. And Peter seems to agree when he stressed a meek and quiet spirit. I would say two apostles are laying down a priciple for godliness concerning women.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No argument but the OUTWARD should reflect the INWARD when you saw Tammy or Jan do you think of a Chrisitan woman??????????????

We are discussing Jewelry and if I saw some women wearing a wedding ring I would NOT think they are not Christian women.

My view of those two women is they overdo the makeup and are not great examples to non-believers of Christianity, because they over do it and look clownish. If I saw a woman wearing tons of chains like Mr T I would say the same. Do things in moderation

[BrotherEastman]

Okay, while I think it's cool that there are nearly 500 posts to this thread, I would still like an answer to a simple question from a conservative preacher within the UPCI as to why you feel like another Apostolic preacher who leads others to Christ with the same message as you, why he/she is categorized as an adulterer or fornicator?

[Arphaxad]

psalm 73:22 I was so foolish and ignorant; I was like a beast before You.


ARPH

[tamor]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Okay, while I think it's cool that there are nearly 500 posts to this thread, I would still like an answer to a simple question from a conservative preacher within the UPCI as to why you feel like another Apostolic preacher who leads others to Christ with the same message as you, why he/she is categorized as an adulterer or fornicator?

It's hard to get simple answers around here, Brother.

[TalkLady]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

LOL! Good catch!

I know who she is. We've had this discussion before........

I don't understand why you keep thinking you "know who I am" ...I have had nothing but pleasant experiences since I came to this board - until today and I suppose I set myself up for this by getting too involved in the discussion. Sis, I don't know who you are, but I have never had a discussion with you along these lines.

Blessings and Peace,
TalkLady

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Paul did say "adorn" and I think jewelry would qualify as adornment. It's a decoration, as is costly array, and an extravagant hairstyle. All of these can become sources of pride. And Peter seems to agree when he stressed a meek and quiet spirit. I would say two apostles are laying down a priciple for godliness concerning women.

apply this verse literally to your daily life in and outside the house and see how you fair :-)

1Pe 3:3 Of whom let not be the adorning of garments, or outward braiding of hair and wearing of gold, or of putting on clothing,
Don't wear clothing

Paul
1Ti 2:9 In the same way also, I desire that women adorn themselves in decent clothing, with modesty and sensibleness, not adorned with braiding, or gold, or pearls, or costly clothing,
First of all the adorning here refers to modest clothing. The second "adorned" is NOT even in the greek text. Translators added it

Second, if adorn here refers to ornaments then Paul is saying you CAN wear jewerly just as long as it is not costly...who decides cost again?

Oh, BTW I agree it can be a source of pride. That proves Paul and Peter are addressing attitudes. Anything can be a source or pride. Money can be. Money is not the root of all evil...the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Jesus said you can not serve God and money...having said that does that mean to et RID of money or does it mean to have a right attitude placed in it's proper place? Love God, not money, not jewelry, not costly array. I would venture to say MOST pentecostals wear costly array (clothing) by someone's standards...how about those saints in Brazil?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

some people buy and sell money too. Perhaps one might say holding onto dollars as it falls and not buying gold is gambling.

Actually, holding onto a losing propositon is not gambling, it is just stupid. I've done some of those stupid things so I am speaking from experience. That's how I felt when the money dissappeared in a cybersecond.
Seriously, it could be considered gambling at that point since it is the hope of regaining lost monies except that the thing that is being held still has value, though not as much. Cards have no value any more than a slot machine. There is IMO a huge difference here.
NI