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Old 08-22-2008, 11:26 AM
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Re: Letter from Bro. Chester Wright to Bro. Haney

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Bro. Haney's nephew, Vince Larson has started a church in the Gaslamp of San Diego. You might be interested in seeing his website. Go to www.theanchorsandiego.net (Bro Larsons website) then go to links, scroll down and go to 'The Anchor Gaslamp.'
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Old 08-22-2008, 11:28 AM
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Re: Letter from Bro. Chester Wright to Bro. Haney

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Chester is writing his letter to the wrong person. Haney will do nothing because he believes the light doctrine. He preaches acts 2:38 all the while believing one is saved if they walk in all the light that they have. In other words a catholic person who live according to every thing they have been taught and they never see Jesus name baptism or the need for the Holy Ghost they will be saved. They walked in all the light that was shown to them.
The light doctrine is an old established doctrine in Oneness Pentecost.
Bishop G.T. Haywood taught it and he is highly revered by both black and white Apostolics.
My former pastor, F.E. Curts, who was Superintendent of the Ohio District (UPC) for years and considered a "Bible Teacher" taught the light doctrine. Many ministers were influenced by him.
S.G. Norris taught the light doctrine at the Apostolic Bible Institute for years. Hundreds of ministers and officials in the UPC were influenced by his teaching.
These are not "second hand" observations. I have Bishop Haywood's book on the resurrection. I can furnish it as a pdf file to anyone who wants it. I sat under Bro. Curts for several years, teaching Sunday School and even preaching in his church. I attended ABI for one year.
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Old 08-22-2008, 11:34 AM
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Bro. Haney's nephew, Vince Larson has started a church in the Gaslamp of San Diego. You might be interested in seeing his website. Go to www.theanchorsandiego.net (Bro Larsons website) then go to links, scroll down and go to 'The Anchor Gaslamp.'

Maybe he is too "Relevant". LOL
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Old 08-22-2008, 11:38 AM
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“…Some shall depart…” 1 Timothy 4:1

Every generation of Apostolics must confront perennial departures from the faith. Those of us who maintain the truths preached and taught by our pioneers must do more than wave goodbye. We have a solemn obligation to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” In non-essentials, we may not be intransigent, but we rise up against anything that threatens to uproot the tree of doctrine and sound biblical teaching. False doctrine must never go unchecked.

The so-called “relevancy” movement or “emerging church” movement that has gained some popularity in the last few years represents one such threat. This movement targets several fundamental oneness Pentecostal doctrines for change. Our pastors, ministers and saints need to strengthen their grip on these doctrines so that none of us becomes influenced by “seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.” I write this particular article as an opening round against beliefs that compromise or destroy signature apostolic teachings.

First, we all know that the blood of Christ is essential to salvation. The “relevancy” position, however, holds that the blood is applied at repentance; therefore they conclude that water baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost are unnecessary for salvation. Two egregious errors exist in this falsehood. One, the blood of Christ is applied at every step of salvation: repentance, water baptism and Spirit baptism.

The typology precedent may be seen clearly in the Old Testament book of Leviticus. The writer to the Hebrews shows the corresponding application in the New Testament. “For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.” Hebrews 9:19-22. The blood was sprinkled everywhere! Couple with this the melding of remission of sin with water baptism in Acts 2:38, and we cannot divorce the blood from baptism. The conjunction of the blood with the Holy Ghost may be seen in the following scripture: “But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying…” Hebrews 9:7-8.

The second error is ignoring the Scriptural pattern of water and Spirit in the new birth. Not only is the blood applied at each point, but the critical role of baptism of water and Spirit in salvation means that these steps cannot be dismissed as irrelevant. To preach less than Acts 2:38 disqualifies one from being an Apostolic. Those departing from the faith need to read this: “But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of…And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” 2 Timothy 3:14-15. Moreover, a wealth of scriptures demonstrates evidence for the essentiality of Jesus’ name in baptism, the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the Apostolic teachings on sanctification, justification, grace and faith.

The “relevancy” movement rejects the holiness lifestyle as obsolete standards of men, referring to it as Phariseeism. The Pharisees placed ceremonial rituals and customs above grace and faith. They were not criticized by Christ for their modesty and morality, but for their hypocrisy, their pride and their misplaced faith. An honest Bible reader, however, understands that living the Christ life entails presenting our bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God. Among many instances of this teaching is this: “Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” 2 Corinthians 7:1. To reject holiness as irrelevant, inconvenient or unnecessary is not an accurate portrayal of the Bible’s admonitions on how to live our lives.

My core problem with the “relevancy” movement is their hollow use of the word “relevant.” I believe that truth is timeless. When will the law of gravity become irrelevant? Or, the second law of thermodynamics? Or, the bill of rights? The truths of repentance, water baptism in Jesus’ name, the infilling of the Holy Ghost with tongues, the oneness of God, modesty and holiness in dress and behavior will never fade into irrelevance. Just ask the person who has recently emerged from the waters of baptism, breathing a sigh of relief from sins remitted. Ask someone who still feels the tingling from the Holy Ghost baptism experience. They will tell the entire world that the fundamentals of the Apostolic message could not be more relevant, even in today’s changing world.

I love this Apostolic message. I am not commissioned to preach anything else. Here I stand.

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Old 08-22-2008, 11:41 AM
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Bro. Haney's nephew, Vince Larson has started a church in the Gaslamp of San Diego. You might be interested in seeing his website. Go to www.theanchorsandiego.net (Bro Larsons website) then go to links, scroll down and go to 'The Anchor Gaslamp.'
Kashema seems nice!
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 08-22-2008, 11:43 AM
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I was raised in the western district. Know Haney well. Knew his dad and what his dad believed. He believes the same as his dad did. Read his son's book.
So, you lived within 700 miles of him and you just "know" these things? Well I say you are wrong and that neither he nor his dad nor his son believe this so called Light doctrine. I am more inclined to think you believe it since you chose Light for your screen name-- or is that your real name?

I have read your past posts and you seem to be a bit disgruntled... you should be careful or someone will think you are a crackpot. It does not matter where you are from= it is where you are going that is important.

Almighty God does not judge a person until the end of their life- why should you? if someone is on the Way of salvation =or to salvation it does not mean they are saved and approved, but that God is leading them. Light makes manifest- so if they continue to walk in Light the plan of salvation will be manifested to them. Some people just take a little longer than others to catch on.

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That is your belief and you are so entitled.
MJ has always been a company man. This is no surprise. He is sort of a dichotomy.......company man who championed the TV resolution. Interesting.
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So, you lived within 700 miles of him and you just "know" these things? Well I say you are wrong and that neither he nor his dad nor his son believe this so called Light doctrine. I am more inclined to think you believe it since you chose Light for your screen name-- or is that your real name?

I have read your past posts and you should be careful or someone is going to think you are a disgruntled crackpot. It does not matter where you are from= it is where you are going that is important.

Almighty God does not judge a person until the end of their life- why should you? if someone is on the Way of salvation =or to salvation it does not mean they are saved and approved, but that God is leading them. Light makes manifest- so if they continue to walk in Light the plan of salvation will be manifested to them. Some people just take a little longer than others to catch on.
There is no debate that Clyde Haney believed and taught the friend of the bridegroom.
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i have no problem with the young guys innovating, but if they change the word and the salvation i hold dear, then out with the trash, lol,dt
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There is no debate that Clyde Haney believed and taught the friend of the bridegroom.
People like izzychwartz who like to call people names has his or her (what ever the sex is) head in the sand.
If Haney is so all fired acts 2:38 or hell why did he allowed a teacher to teach young men and women at the college in Stockton that the AOG's and other Pentecostals were saved.
When this teacher was asked why he stayed in the UPCI if he believed that way, his reply was I can do more on the inside than on the outside.
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