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Old 08-22-2008, 09:05 AM
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I think you're wrong. No one said anything about moral relevancy. I'm sure these pastors uphold morals and ethics. What is being discussed (and feared) is an invasion of relevant teaching/music/apparel/etc. into the ranks of an organization that has prided itself on separation from the world.

Idid a blog the other day on pride. You can find it on my myspace page, www.myspace.com/deltasoundman or on my regular blog www.insecurepeoplesuck.blogspot.com . I ask this question of the good people of AFF. When looked up in a thesaurus, what is the antonym of the word "pride"?............ Think about it. Don't go look for it just think about it an d post your response please. Its "relevant(pun intended) to this discussion.
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:06 AM
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Do you have the author's permission to post these? Or were they made public?
My guess is this author shared his letter with more than just Bro. Haney, it arrived in my inbox about a month ago and the number of forwards on it was more than I cared to read, I guess AFF just didn't get the scoop on this one.
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:16 AM
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What is happening is that people are getting back to Jesus! There is a huge movement and God is bringing people back to the Cross. Yes, there are some misguided souls who are trying to be "relevant" at the expense of the message but I really doubt there are many pastors who are headed in the wrong direction that Bro. Wright suggest.

These guys just want power and control over everything and THEY are becoming so irrelevant that they are fighting back.

Our generation is hungry for the word, truth, and relationship. I meet young people everyday who are searching for Jesus and a relationship with everything that they have. They are starting to realize that many things that they were taught growing up were not the truth but were actually a hindrance to true faith.

If these men really cared about the movement they would go find out what these young men are doing and get right along side them and labor with them. Try to understand them and learn why these young men think the way they do.
You might be right, but it is easy for us outsiders to say this. One thing is for sure that dressing in a nice shirt, jeans and nice shoes can be MUCH less expensive on the wallet. Instead of an $800 suit they could got buy a few$100 pairs of jeans, some $50 shirts, and $100 pair of shoes and get a FULL wardrobe instead of 1 suit. Makes sense. (Obviously I using prices higher than just the average person might spend for these items)
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:20 AM
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what is happening is that people are getting back to jesus! There is a huge movement and god is bringing people back to the cross. Yes, there are some misguided souls who are trying to be "relevant" at the expense of the message but i really doubt there are many pastors who are headed in the wrong direction that bro. Wright suggest.

These guys just want power and control over everything and they are becoming so irrelevant that they are fighting back.

Our generation is hungry for the word, truth, and relationship. I meet young people everyday who are searching for jesus and a relationship with everything that they have. They are starting to realize that many things that they were taught growing up were not the truth but were actually a hindrance to true faith.

If these men really cared about the movement they would go find out what these young men are doing and get right along side them and labor with them. Try to understand them and learn why these young men think the way they do.
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:24 AM
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Relevant? The gospel is the most relevant thing going. The packaging is old and should be up to date. If some of you all on here do not believe that the way the pastor dresses does not influence the membership and size of a church, you are wrong. I can say this cause I have seen it first hand here. I live in the eastern part of the Phoenix Metro Valley. There is a church in the West Valley that the pastor is know as the 'blue jean preacher.' There was a rather large write up about him and the church a few years ago in the AZ Republic, the state newspaper. The article not only talked about the man and the style in which he preached but also the style in which he dresses.

Many people were interviewed for the article and most of them said they first attended the church due to the fact the preacher was more modern and wore jeans and a nice shirt. This church is over 2000 people in attendance.

My point is that the message of the Gospel is so relevant that everyone needs it. The way the we market it sometimes is not relevant. Coke and Pepsi would not sell their sodas today with the same marketing tools and design as they did in the 70's and 80's. They up date the methods of distribution and marketing without changing or risking the integrity of the product. We must do the same today, IMO. With so many things being thrown at us both good and bad it is paramount that we the Church of the Living God be at the forefront of marketing our product. We are not 'selling' (in the negative sense)our product or our brand of the way we see it, but we are trying to get others to buy into it, aren't we? If so then at least get even with the times and make it look sooooooo good that people can not help but want it!
Amen! Your reference to Coke/Pepsi brought back to mind that disastrous error on the part of Coca-Cola back in the 80's. They decided they were going to "update their product" and came out with the "New Coke." The product was awful and the public response was unanimously negative. They had the foolish notion that they needed to update their product, when what they really needed was to revitalize their methods of presenting the old product that was the best on the market. Lesson learned for Coke can be applied here.

Our message is the best there is! No reformulation of our message is needed. We just need to adapt our delivery and presentation to the world that WE are living in - not the world that the pioneers lived in.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:41 AM
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Re: Letter from Bro. Chester Wright to Bro. Haney

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Chester is writing his letter to the wrong person. Haney will do nothing because he believes the light doctrine. He preaches acts 2:38 all the while believing one is saved if they walk in all the light that they have. In other words a catholic person who live according to every thing they have been taught and they never see Jesus name baptism or the need for the Holy Ghost they will be saved. They walked in all the light that was shown to them.
Where did you get that information..? Whether Brother Haney does anything about this or not, I do not believe it is because he believes this "light" doctrine. That is simply not true, and I am sure of that. While neither of us can speak for Brother Haney, I do intend to defend him from this serious a charge.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:50 AM
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Re: Letter from Bro. Chester Wright to Bro. Haney

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Chester is writing his letter to the wrong person. Haney will do nothing because he believes the light doctrine. He preaches acts 2:38 all the while believing one is saved if they walk in all the light that they have. In other words a catholic person who live according to every thing they have been taught and they never see Jesus name baptism or the need for the Holy Ghost they will be saved. They walked in all the light that was shown to them.
Since you won't reveal your identity, how do we even know that you know what you're talking about? Are you a personal friend to KH? Have you PERSONALLY had this discussion with him? Or are you repeating rumors?
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Where did you get that information..? Whether Brother Haney does anything about this or not, I do not believe it is because he believes this "light" doctrine. That is simply not true, and I am sure of that. While neither of us can speak for Brother Haney, I do intend to defend him from this serious a charge.
I was raised in the western district. Know Haney well. Knew his dad and what his dad believed. He believes the same as his dad did. Read his son's book.
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Old 08-22-2008, 11:05 AM
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“…Some shall depart…” 1 Timothy 4:1

Every generation of Apostolics must confront perennial departures from the faith. Those of us who maintain the truths preached and taught by our pioneers must do more than wave goodbye. We have a solemn obligation to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” In non-essentials, we may not be intransigent, but we rise up against anything that threatens to uproot the tree of doctrine and sound biblical teaching. False doctrine must never go unchecked.

The so-called “relevancy” movement or “emerging church” movement that has gained some popularity in the last few years represents one such threat. This movement targets several fundamental oneness Pentecostal doctrines for change. Our pastors, ministers and saints need to strengthen their grip on these doctrines so that none of us becomes influenced by “seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.” I write this particular article as an opening round against beliefs that compromise or destroy signature apostolic teachings.

First, we all know that the blood of Christ is essential to salvation. The “relevancy” position, however, holds that the blood is applied at repentance; therefore they conclude that water baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost are unnecessary for salvation. Two egregious errors exist in this falsehood. One, the blood of Christ is applied at every step of salvation: repentance, water baptism and Spirit baptism.

The typology precedent may be seen clearly in the Old Testament book of Leviticus. The writer to the Hebrews shows the corresponding application in the New Testament. “For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.” Hebrews 9:19-22. The blood was sprinkled everywhere! Couple with this the melding of remission of sin with water baptism in Acts 2:38, and we cannot divorce the blood from baptism. The conjunction of the blood with the Holy Ghost may be seen in the following scripture: “But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying…” Hebrews 9:7-8.

The second error is ignoring the Scriptural pattern of water and Spirit in the new birth. Not only is the blood applied at each point, but the critical role of baptism of water and Spirit in salvation means that these steps cannot be dismissed as irrelevant. To preach less than Acts 2:38 disqualifies one from being an Apostolic. Those departing from the faith need to read this: “But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of…And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” 2 Timothy 3:14-15. Moreover, a wealth of scriptures demonstrates evidence for the essentiality of Jesus’ name in baptism, the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the Apostolic teachings on sanctification, justification, grace and faith.

The “relevancy” movement rejects the holiness lifestyle as obsolete standards of men, referring to it as Phariseeism. The Pharisees placed ceremonial rituals and customs above grace and faith. They were not criticized by Christ for their modesty and morality, but for their hypocrisy, their pride and their misplaced faith. An honest Bible reader, however, understands that living the Christ life entails presenting our bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God. Among many instances of this teaching is this: “Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” 2 Corinthians 7:1. To reject holiness as irrelevant, inconvenient or unnecessary is not an accurate portrayal of the Bible’s admonitions on how to live our lives.

My core problem with the “relevancy” movement is their hollow use of the word “relevant.” I believe that truth is timeless. When will the law of gravity become irrelevant? Or, the second law of thermodynamics? Or, the bill of rights? The truths of repentance, water baptism in Jesus’ name, the infilling of the Holy Ghost with tongues, the oneness of God, modesty and holiness in dress and behavior will never fade into irrelevance. Just ask the person who has recently emerged from the waters of baptism, breathing a sigh of relief from sins remitted. Ask someone who still feels the tingling from the Holy Ghost baptism experience. They will tell the entire world that the fundamentals of the Apostolic message could not be more relevant, even in today’s changing world.

I love this Apostolic message. I am not commissioned to preach anything else. Here I stand.

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Bro. Haney's nephew, Vince Larson has started a church in the Gaslamp of San Diego. You might be interested in seeing his website. Go to www.theanchorsandiego.net (Bro Larsons website) then go to links, scroll down and go to 'The Anchor Gaslamp.'
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