Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro's view on Zionism

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Too icky for words.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Side note we must keep everything in context, when Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro says he and his family have noting to do with Israel. What he is meaning is politically. Religiously it is a Holy Land and Jerusalem a Holy City.

I have to run, but EB, all it looks like to me is they are trying their hardest to get out from under the radar of Israel and it is never going to happen. "His blood be upon us and on our children." That is forever, unless they come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

A Presbyterian church with a Lesbian pastor.

I think you are missing the point entirely. Because even though they have a Lesbian or there is a Crossdressing man in Japanese Lolita fashion posing as an Apostolic female. They're not secular, but still religious. You might not agree with how they practice but they are still religious. Zionists are political statists who only include the trappings of a religion as a means to an end. To reach their political goals. In Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to congress he speaks of Biblical promises to a people, but he himself isn't what anyone would consider an observant Jew. Like Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro points out, Netanyahu doesn't wear a kippah, doesn't keep shabbat, but works on shabbat. At least the Lesbian Presbyterian pastor is performing her religion. While Netanyahu and Zionism is secular politics and must appease all religions within its scope. Sec·u·lar denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have NO religious or spiritual basis. Period.

Judaism a religion with a spiritual basis.

Zionism created to make the Jew nonreligious and with no spiritual basis.

Huge difference.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And the United States is a Christian country with gay pride events.

United States is a country, which has no official state religion. The first amendment of the Bill of Rights points this out.

If it was indeed a Christian country then it would have a Christian government, and only Christian elected officials. There would also be legal documents to the effect assuring that only Christianity to be the one and only religion. Like what the Catholic Church once had with European and Asia Minor monarchies. Our forefathers made no such provision that we were to endure as a "religious" government and country. Our references to creator, God, and to a faith in a God was merely because the framers of the fledgling government were Christians. If they were from India, Palestine, or Arabia they would of used similar language. Yet, we were set up as a Republic run by rule of law. Not a theocracy, or religious entity. To say we are a Christian country is an oxymoron. To say we are a country with Christians is closer to the truth.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"We pray toward Jerusalem" other than that, we have no connection.

What is so important to them about Jerusalem?

Yet, if you pay attention to his words you would find that Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro gives you the distinctions. One, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro tells you why they pray towards Jerusalem because of its holiness. Two, he explains his non connection is political, not religious. Big difference. Matter of fact huge difference. Unlike a religious statist who believes that a Bible should be read in a public school. Because our first amendment cannot open the door to only one religious book. The State School is run by the State, therefore must adhere to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If my child is a Hindu I want them to read the vedas, and might not approve of them reading Christian material. If I'm secular I don't want my child to have a silent time while some of the religious students pray, or meditate. Sure wouldn't want them to be forced to read from any religious document. The same way a Christian parent doesn't want to have their children reading homosexual material to accept homosexualality. The secular parent in the State school may feel the same way concerning religious material.

So, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro wants everyone to know, that he and his religious group have no political connection to the state of Israel. But have a religious connection to Israel and Jerusalem. Which doesn't make them have to LIVE, or be a political citizen in Israel, or Jerusalem.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I think you are missing the point entirely. Because even though they have a Lesbian or there is a Crossdressing man in Japanese Lolita fashion posing as an Apostolic female. They're not secular, but still religious. You might not agree with how they practice but they are still religious. Zionists are political statists who only include the trappings of a religion as a means to an end. To reach their political goals. In Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to congress he speaks of Biblical promises to a people, but he himself isn't what anyone would consider an observant Jew. Like Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro points out, Netanyahu doesn't wear a kippah, doesn't keep shabbat, but works on shabbat. At least the Lesbian Presbyterian pastor is performing her religion. While Netanyahu and Zionism is secular politics and must appease all religions within its scope. Sec·u·lar denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have NO religious or spiritual basis. Period.

Judaism a religion with a spiritual basis.

Zionism created to make the Jew nonreligious and with no spiritual basis.

Huge difference.

This is also Netanyahu's view on Israel:

Even in the form delineated by Herzl, Zionism was more than an expression of a pre-existing nation's political aspirations. It was also a project of (re)forging that nationhood and a promise to protect and preserve it in perpetuity. That's why Zionists routinely speak of Israel as a "Jewish state."

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yet, if you pay attention to his words you would find that Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro gives you the distinctions. One, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro tells you why they pray towards Jerusalem because of its holiness. Two, he explains his non connection is political, not religious. Big difference. Matter of fact huge difference. Unlike a religious statist who believes that a Bible should be read in a public school. Because our first amendment cannot open the door to only one religious book. The State School is run by the State, therefore must adhere to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If my child is a Hindu I want them to read the vedas, and might not approve of them reading Christian material. If I'm secular I don't want my child to have a silent time while some of the religious students pray, or meditate. Sure wouldn't want them to be forced to read from any religious document. The same way a Christian parent doesn't want to have their children reading homosexual material to accept homosexualality. The secular parent in the State school may feel the same way concerning religious material.

So, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro wants everyone to know, that he and his religious group have no political connection to the state of Israel. But have a religious connection to Israel and Jerusalem. Which doesn't make them have to LIVE, or be a political citizen in Israel, or Jerusalem.

He simply can't have a religious connection to Israel and no political connection be involved in that as well. Israel is a state working to protect itself and stay alive. If the Palestinians were allowed to have Jerusalem as their capital, how would he then feel about it?

[Amanah]

Adding links for Review purposes

The Balfour Declaration was a November 2, 1917 letter from British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Lord Rothschild that made public the British support of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Balfour Declaration led the League of Nations to entrust the United Kingdom with the Palestine Mandate in 1922.

https://www.thoughtco.com/balfour-declaration-1778163

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ist-congresses

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/int...w.htm#Foreword

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He simply can't have a religious connection to Israel and no political connection be involved in that as well. Israel is a state working to protect itself and stay alive. If the Palestinians were allowed to have Jerusalem as their capital, how would he then feel about it?

Come on, you didn't watch the video? Because he answers those questions.

But honestly, your above quote makes no sense. How is any religion obligated to the secular politics of any country? What about German and Polish Christians under the Nazis? Russian and Eastern Europe Christians under the Communists? What about Conscientious objectors? Which Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro's Ultra Orthodox are involved. Throughout the history of our government we have had passive conscientious objectors. In WWI some were thrown in jail. Being part of a religion doesn't obligate anyone from involving themselves in the governmental process of politics. We are to obey the authorities, and be good citizens. We are to pray that we be kept in peace and for the government leadership that it leaves us alone.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And the United States is a Christian country with gay pride events.

The USA is a Christian nation?