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Originally Posted by LUKE2447
THough I agree with much of this. James is very clear that "believed" is not about a moment in time but the fulness of Abraham's walk. "
Jas 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"--and he was called a friend of God.
Jas 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Thus the fulness of faith cannot be recognized until it is completed which is defined by the "specfic" utterance of God. Are we saved by works? Yes and No! Are good works in themselves salvational? No! Until they are relational they mean nothing. Are we saved unto good/God's works? Yes! Are we in the end judged by works and not by faith alone/mental agreement? Yes! Did Jesus base his relationship with you on works? Yes!
Abraham was in the end justified by his works by doing as God asked not simply a moment of time.
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I understand this train of thought, but do you consider repentance a work?
Baptism, full immersion in water, with the Name of Jesus called over you- is that a work?
These are things one must do out of obedience to the scriptures, so I guess it is a "work"-- What do you say?
Speaking in tongues is not something we are commanded to do like repentance from sin and baptism in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Also, stating now that standards are not salvific and have no bearing on one's salvation.
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