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Old 05-22-2009, 11:09 AM
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I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.
Indeed. It is an awakening of the inner man, and an acknowledgement of ones need of salvation that can only be provided in the cross.

Furthermore, saving faith produces the desire to be identified with Christ in baptism and a willingness to recieve His Holy Spirit.
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I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.
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from page 1406 of The Spirit Filled Life Bible:

repent, metanoeo (Met-an-ah-eh-o); Strongs # 3340; From meta "after," and noeo "to think." Repentance is a decision that results in a change of mind, which in turn leads to a change of purpose and action.
Just adding it to the basic definition. Thanks Sam.
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

Stephen no williness to recieve holy spirit cause I posted the scripture that states you WILL recieve....not a willingness but you will according to scripture...
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Stephen no williness to recieve holy spirit cause I posted the scripture that states you WILL recieve....not a willingness but you will according to scripture...
I agree. By willingness - I don't mean anything other than a God placed desire within the heart of an individual. If someone says "I don't want the Holy Spirit of God" it brings into question, either their faith, or their understanding of the Holy Spirit.
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Indeed. It is an awakening of the inner man, and an acknowledgement of ones need of salvation that can only be provided in the cross.

Furthermore, saving faith produces the desire to be identified with Christ in baptism and a willingness to recieve His Holy Spirit.
I agree that most would desire to follow Christ commands but I hesitate to say that 100% of the time a person would recognize that they should be baptized after repentance unless they had some prior knowledge of baptism. I agree that most of the time a true born again believer will follow this path.
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Stephen no williness to recieve holy spirit cause I posted the scripture that states you WILL recieve....not a willingness but you will according to scripture...
Elsewhere, it also says the sick will be healed.
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

Ok, I am looking for scripture that supports the three step doctrine. I know we have some examples in Acts but is their any other scriptural evidence in support of the plan of salvation known as the three-step doctrine.
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Ok, I am looking for scripture that supports the three step doctrine. I know we have some examples in Acts but is their any other scriptural evidence in support of the plan of salvation known as the three-step doctrine.
John 3:5-7 is often used by three steppers..


5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

But Stephen if that person repents then they want gods spirit to guide them they want that chnanged life so therefore they will have the holyspirit according to scripture
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