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Originally Posted by Steven Avery
Total nonsense.
The quotes are valid.
You made a couple of silly comments.
e.g. you attacked Cyprian.
Which is absurd, because he quotes the Bible accurately and copiously.
Yet you laud the Middle Ages anti-missionary unbeliever Shem Tob.
Steven
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about Cyprian, here is some information on him.
Pope Stephen called Cyprian the bishop of Carthage “a false Christ and a false apostle, and a deceitful worker” and excommunicated him for his opposition to baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, he also disfellowship Firmilian bishop of Caesarea for he also refused to accept baptism in Jesus’ name as valid. English Historical Review (1910) Newly discovered letters of Dionysius of Alexandria to the Popes Stephen and Xystus.
Note: Both Popes Stephen and Xystus accepted baptism in the name of Jesus as valid. The Golden Legend: The Life of Saint Calixtus (Xystus) has the following word: “Baptize me in the name of Jesu Christ, which hath taken me by the hand and lifted me up. Then came Calixtus and baptized her and her husband”.
Cyprian: The bishop of Carthage, in 256 AD in his Epistles 72 and 73 mentions that Marcion baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. He complained that Pope Stephen accepted heretics without requiring them to be rebaptized, “even those that came from him (Marcion) did not need to be baptized, because they seemed to have been already baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.” And also mentions that Patripassians, Anthropians, Valentinians, Apelletians, Ophites, and other “heretics” baptized in similar manner. He repeats the charge in his epistle 73 “they who are baptized anywhere and anyhow, in the name of Jesus Christ”, and appears to indicate that not only Marcion baptized in the name of Jesus but also Valentinus, Apelles and others did so. The arguments between him and Pope Stephen became so bitter and antagonistic that he was excommunicated.
The writings of Cyprian clearly confirm that baptism in the name of Jesus was the oldest and most common baptism and that the traditional baptism was the new innovation.
Because Cyprian considered baptism in the name of Jesus to be an age old error, he was a bitter enemy of baptism in the name of Jesus and often mentions baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ as a popular “heresy” that needed to be destroyed. In much anger Cyprian mentions that there were thousands of heretics who ‘baptized in the name of Christ alone’. And we do know that Cyprian combated this shorter formula that was used in certain quarters, in an attempt to stamp it out. The Byzantine Fathers
of the Fifth Century (1933) by Historian and theologian Georges Florovsky.
In September 256 AD Cyprian held the third synod in Carthage which rejected baptism in the name of Christ as valid. This caused the relations of the Roman and African Churches to become severely strained. A library of the Fathers: The Epistles of Saint Cyprian (1868), Cyprian and Roman Carthage (2010) by Professor of early Christianity Allen Brent. Doctor of Theology Thomas Kelly Cheyne, Encyclopedia Biblica (1899), Cyprian: His Life, His Times, His Work (1897) by Archbishop of Canterbury Edward White Benson.
The letters of St. Cyprian were published in Rome in 1471, quite a long time from the actual events, hardly a reliable document at all. (Almost 1,200 years of distance from the 3rd century). Modified text, hmm sounds familiar. Charges of forgeries in Cyprian’s works are quite abundant. Cyprian: His Life, His Times, His Work (1897) by Edward White Benson, Archbishop of Canterbury.
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