Alright Jesus says this to his disciples ,
Even the Spirit Of Truth whom the world cannot receive ,because it seeth him not ,neither knoweth him :for he dwell with you but shall be in You JOHN 14:17,
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I will not leave you comfortless or orphanless : I will come to you JOHN 14:18
Notice told Jesus His disciples I will come to you.
Scott, are you suggesting that the HG John and his parents received wasn't God? How do you explain what they were filled with and compare the same wording used in Acts 2 that is claimed to be different?
God is everywhere. He's omniscient. He can be with someone and in someone else at the same time.
The scripture says those three were filled with the HG. This isn't my interpretation of scripture, it's EXACTLY what scripture is saying. There is no way around it.
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Yes they had it ,but did they have in Pentecostal fashion as in the book of ACTS ?
Who knows for sure? Doesn't God have the power to give His gifts as He sees fit? Just like the thief received salvation without an animal sacrifice, Jesus, being God, can give of Himself to anyone.
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Now Sis I never said the Elizabeth and John The Baptist did not have the HG. but I'm saying this it wasn't manifested by the physical or accompanying sign of speaking in tongues as in the Book Of Acts.
HO would like to sit in another one of my Bible classes ?Take notes as you'll learn alot HE HE HE.
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HO thank you for making me dig as it's good for my thinking to be challenged.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
I have no idea. Do we do that today? I didn't. Did you have to wait ten days?
They had to tarry to fulfill scripture,they had to wait till the Day Of Pentecost had fully come.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
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Bump for HO, I acknowledge what John The Baptist ,and Elizabeth and Zacharias ,did experience.But they didn't get the Holy Ghost with the manifestation of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gave them the utterance.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Now Sis I never said the Elizabeth and John The Baptist did not have the HG. but I'm saying this it wasn't manifested by the physical or accompanying sign of speaking in tongues as in the Book Of Acts.
HO would like to sit in another one of my Bible classes ?Take notes as you'll learn alot HE HE HE.
The Bible is silent on whether or not they spoke in tongues, although I don't believe they did (I know John didn't, as he was in utero) because surely something would be mentioned, as it would be strange.
However, even in the book of Acts, people are noted as receiving the Holy Ghost but no mention of tongues. In fact, Zachariah is mentioned as being filled with the HG and prophesying without mention of tongues.
Coincidentally, there are people in Acts that also are filled with the HG and prophesy without mention of tongues. I'm not saying that they didn't occur, but silence isn't proof they did just because it's mentioned elsewhere as having occured.
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
HO thank you for making me dig as it's good for my thinking to be challenged.
I appreciate the convo. This is also helping me to delve into scripture more, as I've never studied this out. I asked my friend LR to help me out with something, I just haven't talked to her about this yet, but I did mention a Bible study with her to help me understand this better.
I appreciate you, brother. You know I love ya.
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Bump for HO, I acknowledge what John The Baptist ,and Elizabeth and Zacharias ,did experience.But they didn't get the Holy Ghost with the manifestation of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gave them the utterance.
Thanks for the bump. I've been typing out my response since before 10pm, but had to talk to my son for a while.
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HO you know I never am hateful or mean spirited.
I had one pastor in times past who taught that one could receive The Holy Ghost without speaking in tongues.He based his view on the scripture in 1.COR 12 :30 that said do all speak with tongues ?,of course Paul was talking about giving messages in tongues in the local church.
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