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Old 01-13-2010, 06:39 PM
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DA, More Apostolic????

DA,

I wasn't around the AFF when at the time of your first advent. I know you famously claim to be "more apostolic" than us all?
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He names it and claims it, Jason.
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Re: DA, More Apostolic????

What's the purpose of this thread? The ole "I'm more Apostolic than you" game isn't about to get started is it?
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DA is most definetly more apostolic than you Jason
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...Once upon a time I was more apostolic than you all!!!
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What's the purpose of this thread? The ole "I'm more Apostolic than you" game isn't about to get started is it?
Curiosity. I've wondered why someone who left the apostolic doctrine makes the claim of being MORE apostolic. In what way?

No I'm not into comparing ourselves among ourselves, and I'm not attacking DA, I have no reason to.
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Curiosity. I've wondered why someone who left the apostolic doctrine makes the claim of being MORE apostolic. In what way?

No I'm not into comparing ourselves among ourselves, and I'm not attacking DA, I have no reason to.
When you say "left" the Apostolic Doctrine, it seems you are referring to the newer post-WW2 Apostolic Doctrine and not the original teachings of the Apostolic Faith Movement that arose in the early 20th century.

The changes in the teachings of the Apostolic Faith Movement are well chronicled but they have been hidden from view and little understood until relatively recently.

The original "Apostolics" were all Trinitarians. As the Oneness teaching developed the two sides were actually already working together harmoniously. So, when DA says he "fellowships Trinitarians" - he's not saying that he's left the Apostolic Doctrine, but that he has returned to the roots of the Apostolic Faith Movement.

Thus, DAII is actually "more Apostolic" than those who refuse to fellowship Trinitarians.

The same can be said about other aspects of doctrine.
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When you say "left" the Apostolic Doctrine, it seems you are referring to the newer post-WW2 Apostolic Doctrine and not the original teachings of the Apostolic Faith Movement that arose in the early 20th century.

The changes in the teachings of the Apostolic Faith Movement are well chronicled but they have been hidden from view and little understood until relatively recently.

The original "Apostolics" were all Trinitarians. As the Oneness teaching developed the two sides were actually already working together harmoniously. So, when DA says he "fellowships Trinitarians" - he's not saying that he's left the Apostolic Doctrine, but that he has returned to the roots of the Apostolic Faith Movement.

Thus, DAII is actually "more Apostolic" than those who refuse to fellowship Trinitarians.

The same can be said about other aspects of doctrine.
please clarify, certainly your not referring to the primative church......
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please clarify, certainly your not referring to the primative church......
Of course not. The "Doctrine of the Trinity" wasn't even developed until the 4th Century.

The early Apostolic Faith Movement in the 20th Century were all Trinitarians however:



William Seymour's Azusa Street Mission sometime in the 1920's. Notice the sign on the side of the building.

This is where the use of the phrase "Apostolic" or "Apostolic Faith" was coined, along with the itinerant ministry of William Parham.

We have no direct historic links with the First Century apostles so to try and pretend that there is one is a bit dishonest, IMHO. Also, the founders of the Apostolic Faith movement were all very conscious and outspoken about the fact that they believed that they were "restoring" a faith that had been "lost" through the centuries.
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please clarify, certainly your not referring to the primative church......
Hijole, compadre, just look @ my profile pic - I am as primitive as they get.

Sorry, that you purchased a bag of goods by the masonic "us four and no more" crowd who claim like every good practicing Mormon, Jehovah's witness, and Catholic that they have a monopoly on the 1st century church.

Open your bible and you will find Apostolics that never taught an explicit doctrine that believers are lost because salvation and sin remission hangs on the words of a baptism of a properly administered baptism. Nor do you find any mention in their writings that Acts 2:38 is the New Birth. Nor a doctrine that tongues are salvific or the necessary evidence in all conversions.

You won't find 1st century Apostolics rejecting those filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Much less those that the Almighty God, in His Word, calls His.
You won't find head counts in their epistles as to how many were dunked properly or how many experienced glossolalia.

You won't find primitive Apostolics proclaiming that their clean-cut boys in business suits and young ladies in denim skirts are the poster children for God's Holiness because of their attire.
But rather wearing similar garments that were distinctive by their cut, color, etc.

Nor will you find the primitive Apostolic church prohibiting ornamental jewelry, bi-furcated, facial hair, cut hair on woman, makeup, or modes of media. And much less denying fellowship or denying access to a platform or pulpit to those that do practice these things or make such extrabiblical prohibitions salvific.

Nor did the primitive church reject the Body of Christ for accepting and agreeing there is One God, that Jesus is the Son of God and that Jesus is fully man and fully God but would rather argue about non-existent necessary verbal formulas and semantics as to what "persons" means.

This pales in comparison to the post WWII posers who hijacked a handful of denominations that fracture every 10 years or so accusing the other with their crutch that some are not being Apostolic enough.

For the most part, even radically different along racial lines, as the vocal minority doesn't even reflect the views or experience of today's black Oneness Apostolic (see PAW).

While insisting they are the big brother to national works globally.

Si, Jason, soy mas apostolico que aun tu.

No te aguites, mi hermano.

Abre su biblia, digale no a las tradiciones de los hombres religiosos y predique el mensaje del evangelio de Jesucristo con denuedo -- El evangelio siendo el mensaje de los apostoles.
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