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Old 11-01-2016, 08:56 AM
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From Rod to Ark

A brother and I were chatting about the patterns noted in the Old Testament. The Exodus was when the feasts of Israel were appointed, and what they symbolize actually occurred during Exodus. Passover is easy to see. Pentecost actually fell on the same time when Moses received the law of God, when 3,000 were slain for worshiping the golden calf. Instead of such a negative death, 3,000 were baptized into the death of Jesus on the day of Pentecost and were born again.

The Passover covers the first three feasts, passover, unleavened bread and firstfruits. Tabernacles covers the last three. Trumpets, atonement and Tabernacles. Tabernacles were tents they lived in and were meant to be indwelt during the feast to remember their duration in tents during the exodus before they entered Canaan.

Christ was our passover through the cross. And He put the law in our hearts with Pentecost's new birth. As the rod, he was God made flesh, the branch. As the rod turned water to blood, in the days of Christ's mortal flesh He turned water into wine, etc. The rod opened the Red Sea. But it was the Ark of the covenant that opened the Jordan River. And the Ark stands as God's throne, with its mercyseat. We come to the throne of grace to find mercy in time of need.

The ark opening Jordan stands for for the kingship of Christ. From rod of incarnation to throne of His ascension and seating and dominion, the Exodus shows us the progress of Christi's purpose in restoring KINGDOM for mankind after satan tempted man to fall from it in Genesis 3.

Even the rod shows it... it fall from Moses' hand, turns into a serpent , and is restored again when picked back up. From the fall to the restoration, we see death (serpent) swallowed up on victory in this restoration resurrection form of salvation from sin!
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Old 11-01-2016, 10:01 AM
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And He put the law in our hearts with Pentecost's new birth.
can that be? can this be?
can't you show it to me?
oh you can't, no, you can't
so i'll finish this rant
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Old 11-01-2016, 12:17 PM
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can that be? can this be?
can't you show it to me?
oh you can't, no, you can't
so i'll finish this rant
Sounds like Fox In Sox again.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:38 PM
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yes, ty God that is over, for now
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Old 11-03-2016, 09:54 AM
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And He put the law in our hearts with Pentecost's new birth.
The Law was not put into your heart by God, that was you, did that, wadr.

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can that be? can this be?
can't you show it to me?
oh you can't, no, you can't
so i'll finish this rant
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Sounds like Fox In Sox again.
Tongues come from Word, being drunk on the wine, sorry. And no one wants the new wine after drinking the old wine. Normal speech is how the Law is written, and any law, any doctrine, that you can insist upon, i can insist upon it's "opposite," and we can both find Support, can we not?

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From the fall to the restoration, we see death (serpent) swallowed up on victory in this restoration resurrection form of salvation from sin!
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From the fall to the restoration, we see death (serpent) swallowed up on victory in this restoration resurrection form of salvation from sin!
You see it, you read about it, so you see it, as a story, yes. But it is a story about what you must do, that does you no good just to know, as a story. That is a serpent on a pole, Christ lifted up as a snake.
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:13 AM
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The Law was not put into your heart by God, that was you, did that, wadr.
Of course God did it. And He did it on the day of Pentecost with 3000 people whereas 3000 died the same day in the Exodus under law.

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You see it, you read about it, so you see it, as a story, yes
No it is not a mere story. It is an experience. It is reality.

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. But it is a story about what you must do, that does you no good just to know, as a story. That is a serpent on a pole, Christ lifted up as a snake.
It is not just a story. You wish it were only a story to me so your accusations of me can remain intact, and that is your pride. But without experiencing this, it means nothing. The serpent on the pole was signifying what was killing the Israelites. You always miss the actual point in these pictures of the cross.

Jesus became the very sin that was killing us. And As that which was killing Israel was lifted up on a pole to indicate it was taken for them and raised up to be judged, and they believed, they were healed of the poison. Jesus became the sin that was killing us. And when we believe that He took for us what was killing us and made himself to be sin for us, and look to Him in that faith as our only means of salvation, we are saved from the sin that was killing us. His death stood as our deaths.

You are so far away form the real picture. You miss what someone who sees the cross is saying, you misinterpret them to be reading mere stories, and don't realize the FAITH is alive and on fire in our hearts -- and it's the faith that saves and points to the cross and still-flowing blood that alone can wash away sins.
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i am not accusing you at all, brother, and you do not have to, ever, change. You are fine just like you are, and if i have condemned you in any way, bring it so that i can see it, and that i may then apologize, and we will go from there. The Book is not the Word, the Gospel is the Word, and the Gospel is not in there, either, go look!
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A brother and I were chatting about the patterns noted in the Old Testament. The Exodus was when the feasts of Israel were appointed, and what they symbolize actually occurred during Exodus. Passover is easy to see. Pentecost actually fell on the same time when Moses received the law of God, when 3,000 were slain for worshiping the golden calf. Instead of such a negative death, 3,000 were baptized into the death of Jesus on the day of Pentecost and were born again.

The Passover covers the first three feasts, passover, unleavened bread and firstfruits. Tabernacles covers the last three. Trumpets, atonement and Tabernacles. Tabernacles were tents they lived in and were meant to be indwelt during the feast to remember their duration in tents during the exodus before they entered Canaan.

Christ was our passover through the cross. And He put the law in our hearts with Pentecost's new birth. As the rod, he was God made flesh, the branch. As the rod turned water to blood, in the days of Christ's mortal flesh He turned water into wine, etc. The rod opened the Red Sea. But it was the Ark of the covenant that opened the Jordan River. And the Ark stands as God's throne, with its mercyseat. We come to the throne of grace to find mercy in time of need.

The ark opening Jordan stands for for the kingship of Christ. From rod of incarnation to throne of His ascension and seating and dominion, the Exodus shows us the progress of Christi's purpose in restoring KINGDOM for mankind after satan tempted man to fall from it in Genesis 3.

Even the rod shows it... it fall from Moses' hand, turns into a serpent , and is restored again when picked back up. From the fall to the restoration, we see death (serpent) swallowed up on victory in this restoration resurrection form of salvation from sin!
These are powerful parallels between the Exodus and the gospel! Thank you for sharing. Amazing how many can know the stories by heart, and yet never "connect the dots" between the two.

Thanks for connecting the dots!
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i am not accusing you at all, brother, and you do not have to, ever, change. You are fine just like you are, and if i have condemned you in any way, bring it so that i can see it, and that i may then apologize, and we will go from there. The Book is not the Word, the Gospel is the Word, and the Gospel is not in there, either, go look!
You need to stop looking for something that you should already have and know.

Makes me think of the quote: George Augustus Moore — 'A man travels the world over in search of what he needs and returns home to find it.'
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These are powerful parallels between the Exodus and the gospel! Thank you for sharing. Amazing how many can know the stories by heart, and yet never "connect the dots" between the two.

Thanks for connecting the dots!
Blessings, sister. We glory in the cross!
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