Has The Word Always Been in Existence?

SteppingStone · #1 05-16-2010, 08:18 PM

Just trying to provoke thought so we can all come to an honest conclusion. If I'm wrong then I wanna get lined up so to speak, definitely don't wanna lead anybody into a ditch.

It says, "In the beginning." To me that is a point of time, maybe not like our time, but it implies a starting point.

So it makes me think perhaps God was silent before He started speaking. I asked a friend of mine and he says he thinks God has always been talking. LOL!! Well maybe He has.

It just seems to me that since beginning implies there was a starting point, God's 1st creation was the very act of speaking itself. In the beginning of what? Creation. When God starts to speak, nothing becomes something, but has He always been talking? Was He ever silent before He started creating everything? I believe He was. What do you believe?

Dedicated Mind · #2 05-16-2010, 09:57 PM

I believe the word is eternal, since the word was God. The word was eternal in God and of God. I'm sure there is a verse or two to support this view, I believe in the epistles of John. I'll try to look it up.

Dedicated Mind · #3 05-16-2010, 10:02 PM

John 1:1-2 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

SteppingStone · #4 05-17-2010, 03:37 AM

Ok "Beginning" is "Arche" (In Greek) and it means "origin" which denotes a starting point. Then "word" or "logos" is "Of Speech," the act of speaking.

The eternal Spirit "Pneuma" has always been, but "Word" or "Logos" has an origin. The implication to me is that His 1st creation was the very act of speaking itself.

Can anybody help me with this?

pelathais · #5 05-17-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Ok "Beginning" is "Arche" (In Greek) and it means "origin" which denotes a starting point. Then "word" or "logos" is "Of Speech," the act of speaking.

The eternal Spirit "Pneuma" has always been, but "Word" or "Logos" has an origin. The implication to me is that His 1st creation was the very act of speaking itself.

Can anybody help me with this?

I think you're at a good point to begin a discussion.

As God, the Word (Logos) is eternal and has no beginning. However, there does appear to have been a specific point in time ("the beginning") when the Word's relationship with God went from an "is" to a "with."

mfblume · #6 05-17-2010, 10:30 AM

Very interesting topic!

I think the question may be what is Genesis 1 speaking about -- the beginning of what? I had the opinion in times past that references in the New testament to the foundation of the world and so forth simply meant the same thing Gen 1:1 meant -- the beginning of what WE were involved with and the world as we know it. That would mean the Word did not start then but that everything that WE are involved with started then.

seekerman · #7 05-17-2010, 01:03 PM

It seems to me that Genesis 1 is speaking of God beginning with the manifestation of the physical realm in which to carry out His will. All that existed before the beginning of the physical realm was God and His angels for they were there before, and at, the beginning.

God, before the creation of the physical realm, established His will for His creation.....

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Then He said 'let it begin', the foundations of the physical were laid, which was the beginning, and there was praise in the heavenlies....

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Jeffrey · #8 05-17-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Just trying to provoke thought so we can all come to an honest conclusion. If I'm wrong then I wanna get lined up so to speak, definitely don't wanna lead anybody into a ditch.

It says, "In the beginning." To me that is a point of time, maybe not like our time, but it implies a starting point.

So it makes me think perhaps God was silent before He started speaking. I asked a friend of mine and he says he thinks God has always been talking. LOL!! Well maybe He has.

It just seems to me that since beginning implies there was a starting point, God's 1st creation was the very act of speaking itself. In the beginning of what? Creation. When God starts to speak, nothing becomes something, but has He always been talking? Was He ever silent before He started creating everything? I believe He was. What do you believe?

Aside from the JPED theory it's understood the writings are of Moses, a mortal. Whose beginning does "in the beginning" refer to? Ours? Certainly not God's. He has no beginning and no ending.

SteppingStone · #9 05-17-2010, 02:18 PM

I completely understand that God Himself has no beginning, but has He always been, "Talking?"

Dedicated Mind · #10 05-17-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

I completely understand that God Himself has no beginning, but has He always been, "Talking?"

obviously not, who would He be talking to? I think that question is similar to, where did God come from? How long is eternity? mysteries beyond our comprehension.