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Originally Posted by crakjak
It is only pathetic and heretical to you because it doesn't conform to your indoctrination, and what you believe has to be true.
I have heard the author of the Shack speak, he says he is not teaching Universalism, even though I can see UR in the book. Nor his he saying the Father is a large black women, it is an allegory, that speaks to the hearts of many folks that have been terribly beaten up by this life.
In one sense, you would appear to be the Pharisees condemning the broken because they were not able to keep all their laws.
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oh yes... "their" laws. I tell people all the time. Go open that stupid Talmud and the Mishna all the time! Obey "their" laws. I never mentiond God's law at all. Like
John 15,
Mark 12:29-31..... NOOOT ME! I just point everyone elses system but God's justice system by which all men will be judged. pfffft
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The Message and the Shack would be like Jesus speaking to the woman about to be stoned after being caught in adultery.
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yeah... I bet Jesus would agree with this trash...
oh no doctrine in this at all...
"Why would the God of the universe want to be submitted to me?"
"Because we want you to join us in our circle of relationships," answers "Jesus." [1,p.145] Together the "trinity" explains:
"Authority, as you usually think of it, is merely the excuse the strong use to make others conform to what they want.... We carefully respect your choices...." [1,p.123]
"'Are you saying I don't have to follow the rules?'...
"'Yes. In Jesus you are not under any law. All things are lawful.'
"'You can't be serious! You're messing with me again,' moaned Mack.
"'Child,' interrupted papa, 'you ain't heard nuthin' yet.'...
"'...enforcing rules [says Sarayu] ...is a vain attempt to create certainty out of uncertainty. And contrary to what you might think, I have a great fondness for uncertainty. Rules cannot bring freedom; they only have the power to accuse.'"[1,p.203] [ACIM uses the word "attack" instead of "accuse."]
“Seriously, my life was not meant to be an example to copy. Being my follower is not trying to ‘be like Jesus’” (pg. 149).
Who said anything about being a Christian? I’m not a Christian . . . Those who love me come from every system that exists . . . I have no desire to make them Christian, but I do want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of my Papa.”
Does that mean that all roads will lead to you?” Jesus answers, “Not at all. Most roads don’t lead anywhere. What it does mean is that I will travel any road to find you” (pg. 182). On page 192, Papa tells Mack that “through his death and resurrection, I am now fully reconciled to the world.” Mack asks, “The whole world? You mean those who believe in you, right?” Papa answers, “The whole world, Mack.”
“Honey, I’ve never placed an expectation on you or anyone else. The idea behind expectations requires that someone does not know the future or outcome and is trying to control behavior to get the desired results.”
There is no mercy or grace in rules because they do not allow for even one mistake. Jesus fulfilled all of the law for us and now it has no jurisdiction over us. “Rules cannot bring freedom; they only have the power to accuse.” (page 202 - 203)
On page 203 Mack asks Papa “are you saying I don’t have to follow the rules?” Papa responds “Yes. In Jesus you are not under any law. All things are lawful.”
“Forgiveness is not about forgetting, Mack. It is about letting go of another person’s throat.”
“But I thought you forget our sins?”
“Mack, I am God. I forget nothing. I know everything. So forgetting for me is the choice to limit myself. Son, …because of Jesus, there is now no law demanding that I bring your sins back to mind. They are gone when it comes to you and me, and they run no interference in our relationship.
On page 96 it is said that the Father didn’t forsake Jesus on the cross, but that Jesus only felt forsaken because He was in such great pain
On page 120 Papa says that she doesn’t “need to punish people for sin”, but that “sin is its own punishment”. It’s not her “purpose to punish it”, it’s her “joy to cure it”.
"God, who is the ground of all being, dwells in, around, and through all things....” [panentheism]
--The Shack's "Jesus." [1,p.112]
"Those who love me come from every system that exists. They were Buddhists or Mormons, Baptists or Muslims.... I have no desire to make them Christian, but I do want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of my Papa, into my brothers and sisters.”
--The Shack's "Jesus." [1,p.182]
"In Jesus, I have forgiven all humans for their sins against me, but only some choose relationship."
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We are so prone to see God as the dictating tyrant and miss the fact that He is the Heavenly Father, that will finally defeat all evil and restore all that He created.
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