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mfblume · #93 07-22-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Do people pray to a flesh entity?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Words in this passage comes from "Rhema" not "Logos."
Rhema means speech, utterance, you hear a sound.

All power and authority transferred from one promise to another, it transferred from one set of words that were spoken to another set of words that were spoken. These spoken Words are Spirit & Life, not flesh...

The flesh on the throne is not what nor Whom we pray to. The flesh on the throne is the Sonship which still possesses immortal flesh.

John 6 has nothing to do with the issue, in my opinion. John 6 is saying that the literal eating and drinking of Christ's flesh and blood was not the point Jesus was making, when the listeners thought it was. Jesus was actually using those thoughts as pictures of believing HIS WORDS ABOUT THE WORK OF THE CROSS.

The communion supper was eating his flesh and drinking his blood, but not literally as the Catholics think. It represented TAKING THE BROKENNESS of His flesh from the death of the cross, and the shedding of his blood from the cross, and applying it to ourselves in indication that WE DIED WITH HIM. What happened to Him on the cross must be understand as what happened to US spiritually.

So Jesus meant that the TEACHINGS He gave, and what the apostles would give, about the CROSS were represented by the eating of his flesh and drinking his blood. And THOSE TEACHINGS were what give life. Jesus formerly said eating and drinking his flesh and blood gave eternal life. He clarified that when they took Him literally, and He said HIS WORDS are what give LIFE.

When He asked if the disciples would leave as so many others did at that point, Peter showed that he caught what Jesus meant. WHERE ELSE CAN WE GO TO FIND WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE?

So these words have nothing to do with saying Jesus has no flesh any more. Apples and oranges.

Jesus had words of eternal life when he was manifest in physical flesh. So we cannot say that statement implies Jesus is not in flesh any more, nor that he changed from flesh to spirit. If He was in mortal flesh and already had words of eternal life, then reference to words of eternal life have nothing to do with whether or not He still has flesh.

Joh 6:68 KJV Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

We do not pray to the flesh of Christ whether it was mortal or now immortal.

Joh 16:23 KJV And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.