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Originally Posted by DaveC519
Hello SRM,
Thank you for your post. Quick question: what is the background of your belief system? I see above you refer to the Trinity, but elsewhere in the thread you mention something about Jesus not being God. Are you JW-Arian? Christadelphian?
Second, Patripassionism holds problems for Trinitarians because it suggests the first person of the Trinity (the Father) is impassable, but the second person (the Son) somehow IS passable (capable of suffering). Clarification, of course, is necessary: God- as to his divine nature- is impassable. God- as to his human nature- IS passable.
Borrowing an idea from our Lutheran friends, we can describe the situation according to the doctrine of the genus idiomaticum (a genera of the communicatio idiomatum): We can designate Christ by virtue of what is true of his divine nature, while predicating something of him by virtue of what is true according to his human nature. Therefore, we can affirm that the person of God (God being divine) suffered and died (according to his human nature). The attributes of God's divine nature did not experience suffering and death, because God's divine nature is immutable and impassable. But his human nature- of which God's person is the terminus- DID suffer and die.
Friend, perhaps you are unaware that Tertullian himself was a proponent of the "economic Trinity". In fact, we get this theological term (economy) from Tertullian, who spoke of the oikonomia of God (Against Praxeas, XI, XII, etc.). Tertullian, who was the one who coined the term Trinitas in the first place, was far from what scholars would consider "orthodox". He did not believe in an eternal Son as the Son, nor did he believe the Father and the Son were co-equal since he advanced the popular 2nd ce. belief known as Logos-Christology, which ontologically subordinated the Son (and Holy Spirit) to the Father.
I think you're mixing definitions here. Patripassionism is specifically defined as the teaching which asserted that it was the Father who suffered and died. Some of the other teachings you cite may be modalist, but not all modalists were patripassionists.
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The original idea of the post was to point out what I have HEARD some Oneness people teach..Jesus is the Father,You may or may not believe it like that but I know some who do.I would consider myself as a Christian Monotheist..haha..One God who is Father of all..He begot a Son in the womb of Mary in the fulness of time made under the law..Jesus never said He was God but he did tell us WHO God is..
Joh 17:3 And
this is life eternal, that they might know
thee the
only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jesus came to manifest His Father and God to a world who could not approach him..
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
As far as my background?. Oneness
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