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Just a thought because I am writting this in the morninig before work will write more this evining. First I do not beleive in just a spiritual resurection. I beleive in a full change of body when we die. Just a couple of thoughts as I make my way through the schemes of interpretation. I brake the rules. lol my mind has gotten beyond the norm where I only see what others say but I have gotten to a point where I can look down and see the overal picture not just in prophecy. Many of the things you preach or teach about standards God gave me a couple of years ago before I read your study on RDTT. See in the circles I live in when I state some of the beleifs God has shown me I have been put through many differance of opinions, I even has someone tell my what I was saying was herisy.
Sorry I get to rambling sometimes. Old Age lol What I was saying Is I see fp in this light that the resurection has happened in 70 ad. God came to earth in judgement preached to those in death hell and the grave those that heard his voice were saved those that did not were cast into the lake of fire. Hence the second resurection. Hence forth when we die our bodies are changed we go strait to heaven no in between time. See I see the last of chapter 19 and the first of chapter 20 of Revelation as the work of the true church that is in the earth today. and when we fulfill all of the work God has given us then the kingdom of God which is in heaven now will be in the world.
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Yes, we are at the end of
Rev 19 and the start of
Rev 20. Amen.
We're all just considering various views, so ramble away! It's good. lol
Presently I see Peter's words that spoke of speaking to spirits in prison as being in the past tense in Peter's words, which would be before AD70.
I cannot honestly see a resurrection in AD70 at all, though. But anyway...
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Here is a thought I Thess 4 our primary passage for a rapture Paul is speaking of the dead those that have aready gone on Paul is giving comfert to the living that the dead in Christ will rise first so we don't have to give them a second thought.
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Just an additional thought. I looked for the reason Paul wrote about this. And it seems no one knew anything about a rapture in this church, so Paul was not telling them they need not fear the rapture already occurred. They knew nothing about a rapture before this chapter was given to them.
1 Thessalonians 4:13 KJV (13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
One man once asked why Paul would tell them the rapture had not yet occurred, so they need not fear, when in fact that was not the reason for the letter. Obviously if they knew the rapture woudl remove their feet from the ground, then if they were still there they knew it had not happened yet. We know that was not the reason. But the reason was they had to know what happened to the dead saints. Did they perish? Is there no nope beyond the grave? The dead were still in the graves, so we know this is speaking about their bodies as well. Their spirits went to be with the Lord. Everyone knew that. But something about their bodies being in graves.
And if the fp spirit "body" leaves the physical body at death, no one can allegedly see that anyway. So before or after AD70, when the fp res. supposedly occurred, what would comfort the Thessalonians since the fp res. cannot be seen. They would still know the bodies were in the graves. This was the issue in
1 Thess 4.
So, Paul is saying the dead will rise physically, and they need not wonder about why the dead bodies are in graves, having seen nothing occur.
Anyway... let's continue.
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Then we which are alive shall be caught up to meet them in the air. But when? Bro this has just given me more questions I have to pray about I will get bac to you
God Bless
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It has to be connected with
1 Cor 15, for the same note of the dead experiencing the same thing the living experience is found there, too. And when we go there, we find Christ ceases to rule As SON at the resurrection (
1 Cor 15:23-28). Christ still rules. We know that. And verses 5-56 in
1 Cor 15 show that the physical body must change because it presently cannot inherit the kingdom. There is NO CHANGE in fp, since the physical body remains in the ground and something else is considered the body. Some say the CHANGE is from a state of sleep to wakedness.That is not the subject of the chapter, though. The theme is WITH WHAT BODY DO THEY COME? verse 35.
And that has not happened yet. Yes, we go to be with the Lord when we die, but the body will also catch up with us and be made new just as the soul and spirit were made knew beforehand.
Interesting stuff!