Originally Posted by Praxeas
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Pardon my misquote.
Do you believe Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever?
Nobody said prayer, fasting, charity and belief in one God was wrong. I don't know you think you we are but we pray, fast, give and believe in one God
As do we. Hence my original reference to parallels. These are the proper actions to assure a path to paradise and I am happy to hear that they are followed. I know that is what you are taught as well, and actually I also know what you are.
You made an assertion and your assertion is false. I don't care what your parallels are, infact you just contradicted yourself by asserting we believe they are all wrong.. You don't know what we are since you just accused us of saying all that was wrong,
How would you know? Yes we fear God
I know your side better than you assume I do. I know you do or at least you are taught to. We are taught that God has his due in the above (see #1) and it is irreverent to not follow His requirements. We are taught that irreverence is a bad thing. As are you. So, where does that leave it?
No you don't know my side. This is again your false assertion that we are irreverent or teach we should be irreverent.
AGain, how would you know? Yes we DO tithe and give offerings.
I know you do. See #1 reference to parallels. In some churches it is taught as mandatory, as it is in Islam. In some it is not. Islam teaches that is is.
Don't say I know you do when you just asserted we don't! What are you trying to do here? What Islam teaches is irrelevant to me. You made a series of assertions or accusations and now you are contradicting yourself
So far your batting average is not very good
Your veiled sarcasm is noted. Thank you.
It wasn't veiled or sarcasm. You listed a series of assertions or accusations about us that are untrue
0 for 3. Yes our actions DO matter. Are you serious? Are you making this stuff up as you go along?
You said you are saved by faith. I said actions do matter and actions are the basis on what you are judged in the end. Now you say actions do matter. Thank you for the validation.
Being saved by faith does not equal "Your actions do not matter". You clearly don't know who and what you are dealing with
We speak the truth. We never said ALL muslims are anything, but if you certainly aren't ignorant of what goes on in Islamic nations under Islamic law. BTW we don't beat the mess out of our kids or teach others to do the same. Are you somehow justifying beating your kids or wives now?
I was referencing a post of yours referring to Muslims as "wife beaters" and offering example of a text from your own bible which is and has been used by those of christian faith to justify that very thing. Not all of christian faith, but some. As some Muslims do the same. I am not one who does. Probably my southern upbringing.
Quote me saying muslims are wife beaters
I live in an Islamic nation and the laws are Islamic law. I grew up in the South. So, that means, again, you are speaking of things which I actually and personally know and actually and personally have a basis to both make judgements and comparisons. Which, unfortunately, it appears that you do not.
Once again you are making an assertion you have not substantiated
Obedience is the fruit of true faith. That is what you lack. You have no idea if you will be truly saved or not.
Obedience to God and God's laws has been a requirement since God's words were first put to paper. Following God's law ensures salvation. Failing to do so ensures no salvation.
Are you perfect in following God's laws? Ever once miss the mark?
Required to become saved? Other than confessing Jesus as savior? No, Essential to maintain the very faith that saves us? Yes. Yes Jesus taught on prayer and that is what we do. We do it for many reasons, as I have said before. One of which is to keep our faith in Him strong and healthy. We don't chant phrases over and over like some mindless zombie either. We pray from the heart because we have a real relationship with Him
One does not "become saved". One is required to spend one's entire life, every day, following the words and teachings of God's words. Nobody I know or have ever heard of chants words like mindless zombies when praying. Do you have a specific example? Otherwise the attempt at insult is noted and passed.
Yes one DOES become saved. I hope someday you will experience this. When you pray, do you recite the same words over and over along side your muslim brethren?
You don't have a clue do you? You've wadded into a something that you have no idea of.
I suspect that I do have a clue. As I know both sides.
You clearly don't know both sides. This is evidenced by your list of false assertions about prayer and tithes etc etc
We believe it and do it out of love. Your motive is fear.
I follow this way because I believe it is the right way and choose to follow it. Qualifies as faith under the definition of faith.
I follow this way because it has freed me. It has given me life here and now. I have a loving relationship with my creator and God has forgiven me of all my sins because of His goodness, not my own.
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