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Originally Posted by Praxeas

it was not judaism

judaism is a religion centered around temple worship, a priesthood and animal sacrifices,

Point of contention: Judaism is centered around the Torah, and keeping it.

One of the first things G-d did was given the Decalogue at Sinai, and the majority of the other commandments come back to these ten. If Judaism is centered around temple worship, a priesthood, and animal sacrifices, then the religion would have died, yet it's still around in the absence of a temple, priesthood, and animal sacrifices for more than 1900 years.

The heart of Judaism is Torah, not the temple service.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

the jewish believers (The bible speaks of jewish and gentile believers) practiced judaism;. gentile believers did not, they were not jews.

Ignatius, Justin Martyr, and John Chrysostom would disagree with you. Want sources?

• Pseudo-Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians
• Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, chapter 47
• John Chrysostom, Against the Jews, Homily 1.5

Why would they write letters to Gentile communities in Asia Minor, telling 'weak brothers' to stop keeping Torah, even though they had the Blood of Jesus? Because they, as Christians, were following their faith like their Messiah did. They recognized Christianity to be a Jewish religion. And they didn't stop observing it this way because they realized they were Gentiles; they stopped because the Church made it illegal:

Council of Nicea: Have nothing to do this the Jews.
Council of Antioch: Passover observance is prohibited.
Council of Laodicea: Sabbath observance is prohibited.

All of these were in the 4th Century(!), so why would governing bodies pass edicts like these if people weren't observing Torah? Because they were keeping Torah just like their Messiah did, every jot and tittle of it.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

jews practiced it because they were already jews and not because they were now christians.

you don;t have to convert to judaism in order to be christian

Praxeas, you're the only one talking about conversion. Christians don't convert to Judaism to practice Christianity, and I don't recall ever writing that to be the case.

I do recall writing that Christianity was a form of Judaism, an existing sect within greater Judaism until Gentiles overwhelmed the Body of Messiah and men took the Jewish heart out of the Church. Christianity started out as a Jewish religion, one which involved keeping Torah.

I'm enjoying our discussion, friend.